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Kenites and Dr. Murray - Are All Jews Kenites According to Arnold Murray and the Shepherd's Chapel?
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----- Original Message -----From: Name WithheldTo: Paul StringiniSent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 2:04 PMSubject: Kenites and Dr. MurrayDr. A. Murray does not consider all Jews to be Kenites. He has never stated that or even implied that.
----- Original Message -----From: Paul StringiniTo: Name WithheldSent: Monday, February 03, 2014 12:15 AMSubject: Kenites and Dr. Murray
Thanks for writing. You are wrong. And I will give you the proof. I just noticed that the link to my special article was broken and I fixed it. I have Pastor Murray on tape saying that 9 million "Jews" in New York are rather 9 Million Kenites. Arnold Murray does not call Jews, Jews. He calls Jews Kenites. When Murray says "Kenite," he means the people everyone else calls Jews. Listen to him in his OWN words http://oraclesofgod.org/1980/jews.htm and please, get back to me.
Sincerely,
Paul Stringini
----- Original Message -----From: Name WithheldTo: Paul StringiniSent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 1:06 AMSubject: Re: Kenites and Dr. MurrayDr Murray has been asked several times on his program "are all Jews Kenites". His answer is always "no".
Dr Murray was born and raised in the hills of Oklahoma on a farm. My Mother's family has the same background that Dr. Murray has. I don't care how well educated an okie from the farm becomes, he/she will always express themselves differently.
For example, instead of their, they will say they or them, and instead of there they may say they, and vice versa, instead of every, they may say ever....it goes on and on and on...he is more articulate on TV than he is when he is not being recorded....
You may have recordings of him stumbling over his words and be able to misunderstand, misinterpret, present in a negative light, however, dr Murray does not teach that all Jews are Kenites. That is not fact.
If you are watching what is going on in this country and in the world, you should be able to see that those that do exist have managed to put themselves into positions in which they very much negatively affect the world in every aspect and in every area.
I was adopted at six months of age by a Jewish man that my mother married. He is who sent me to church and he is the person that introduced me to God and Jesus Christ. He died in 2010 at 84 years of age, still loving and believing in Christ Jesus... I know that has nothing to do with this conversation, I just felt like telling you. My dad studied with Murray.
Again, Dr. Murray does not teach that all Jews are Kenites.
----- Original Message -----From: Name WithheldTo: Paul StringiniSent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 2:25 AMSubject: You and your web pageAre you Jewish or part Jewish and is your wife Jewish?
----- Original Message -----From: Paul StringiniTo: Name WithheldSent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 1:27 PMSubject: Re: Kenites and Dr. Murray
Hi again, Nice of you to write back, I appreciate the care and time you have taken in defending what you think is right. But I sincerely believe you have it wrong. He is not stumbling over his words, at least not to the degree that we might get the wrong idea.Arnold Murray told you to "check him out" and I suggest you do, because, I'm telling you seriously, he is pulling the wool over your eyes. Listen to the audio yourself and tell me if you think I transcribed it wrong. http://oraclesofgod.org/1980/jews.htmI have admitted mistakes before and made public retractions on my webpage. Here are two of them.If you show me where I made some error in misunderstanding Pastor Murray I will certainly correct it. I'm not trying to slander the guy. I oppose his actual teachings, nothing else, I liked Pastor Murray, I was married right there in the studio.Did you look at the page I sent you? I have recordings and exact trascriptions of his words:ARNOLD MURRAY: "And I assure you they (sic) are not nine million sons of Judah in New York. Now if we want to call them what they are: Kenites. There's about nine million of them!"Those are his exact words. They are not Jews, they are Kenites. At a 1 to 1 ratio. 9 mil to 9 mil.Arnold Murray plays a game with the word "Jew." Arnold Murray instructs people to never calls the Jews, Jews.ARNOLD MURRAY: "Also, they have spent billions of dollars brainwashing our people, that any time that anyone speaks against this name, Jews, alright, that you're immediately to turn 'em off. Now... And they enjoy that. But step around that, step aside. You let 'em spend the eight billion dollars, call 'em what they are: Kenites."In Arnold Murray's way of talking, "Kenite" is code for "Jews" He will deny this every time, and run you in circles, because he denies the Jews that Name. He is subtle and decietful and teaches others to be so.How can the Kenites be the Jews... when the Jews are not the Jews? Murray teaches the Jews (but he never calls them that) are the sons of Cain, then when you ask Murray "Are the Jews the Kenites?" He's going to say "NO!" Because he teachers that the real sons of Judah are Germany.(I have audio of him saying that too.) He will say NONE of the sons of Judah are Kenites! "Don't you call my dear brother Judah a Kenite!" "dear brother Judah" is code for Germany. I am not lying.Every time you ask him "Are the Jews the Kenites" He will "step aside" of that question (as he says above) and say "no," because he NEVER refers to the ethnic people we all call Jews, as Jews. That ethnic people called Jews by everyone else are actually the Kenites according to Murray so you will not catch him dead calling them Jews. That is his Game, Prove me wrong. I have HIS WORDS that prove me right.Ask him that, say "Are the Ethnic people, that the world calls Jews, the Sons of Satan?" If you just ask him "Are the Jews the Kenites" He will smile at your ignorance and say, "Of course not!" When I was his student, I certainly understood that the Jews were not really the Jews. You really need to check him out here. Tell me if I misunderstood. The audio is all there on the page and the transcription.Your adopted Father was a beautiful man, and Murray would say he changed from being a tare into wheat. That misses the point about that parable, (I thought Arnold Murray understood about NATURE, tares don't evolve into wheat, and certainly not in a single season!) but it is just one more thing Murray teaches wrong. Don't hide your head in the sand, prove me wrong, it is all in his own words. http://oraclesofgod.org/1980/jews.htm He is being deceitful, and that is not of Christ. That is why you are confused about his teaching on the Jews. He slanders God's chosen people, whom he has not cast off forever, but who languish in blindness.I believe in a SPIRITUAL seed of the Devil. Not a carnal one. The seed of God is spiritual and the seed of the Devil is spiritual. That is the only thing that makes sense in the doctrine of Christ. If being a literal son of the Devil makes them wicked, what is the excuse for the rest of us? The term Kenite has nothing to do with the original Cain any more than Cain's son Enoch has anything to do with Adam's son Enoch. Murray is not a competant biblical scholar in many many ways. I discovered this because I checked him out, and not just by following the breadcrumb trail he left for me. But in the strong's concordance alone by studying one may find many areas where he is abusing the tool and revealing his lack of real scholarship.I do recommend my free line by line bible studies. http://oraclesofgod.org/studies/index.htm I don't just sit around coming down on my old teacher. I teach the bible myself. I only do this page because Arnold Murray was my teacher, my only teacher, and I feel I owe it to my brethren to speak up.SincerelyPaul Stringini
----- Original Message -----From: Paul StringiniTo: Name WithheldSent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 1:48 PMSubject: Re: You and your web pageNo, I'm not Jewish and none of my forefathers were Jewish. My Grandfather on my father's side was Italian, they all had blue eyes, every one of them, but I got my nose and olive complexion from them, (and my nose has been broken). He married a Scotch, English, Irish, girl from Iowa, I get my brown eyes from her. My mother is German and Polish, blond hair, blue eyes, pictures of Hitler in the school room, my German grandmother was in the Hitler youth, there is some Viking blood back there too, so they say. My mother's father was a little mysterious about his origins, he identified himself as Polish, but Grandmother says he was German. In either case he was 6 feet 4 and looked like a poster child for the SS. My wife is mostly Swedish with one Irish Grandmother.The funny thing is that back when I was a follower of Arnold Murray... I was at a fellowship meeting with some other college students. When they asked if any of us were Jewish, with irritation, (because they would not understand) I raised my hand because I thought that Judah was Germany and that I was a Jew! I repent of that. I do not call myself a Jew and lie like that anymore. Those that do are a synagogue of Satan. Anglo-Israelism and German-Judaism are at least a form of a synagogue of Satan. They claim to be Jews and are not. In the bible, especially in the New Testament, the term "Jew" is used interchangeably with Israel.thanks for this questionSincerely,Paul Stringini
Emailer's Second Reply:
----- Original Message -----From: Name WithheldTo: Paul StringiniSent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 3:37 PMSubject: Re: Kenites and Dr. MurrayI have read your explanations referencing Dr. Murrays teaching as compared to scripture, as well as your understanding of scripture. I have to say that you are very, very good at twisting the truth reflected in the Bible. In fact, the best I've seen to date.
I will not point out your inconsistencies, nor inaccuracies, nor what you do to give yourself away. Why? As intelligent as you seem to be, you should be able to figure that out for yourself.
I do not know what your education is relative to God's word. Seminary? Self taught? A mentor? I don't know. If you are of God, I pray you find the truth, I pray this for myself as well, In Christ Jesus's name. Amen.
If you are not of God, I know God can use you anyway, i.e. showing those who believe in God and Christ Jesus the different methods that the serpent is capable of taking advantage of to lead them astray.
Thank you for your response.
Name Withheld
Location Withheld
----- Original Message -----From: Paul StringiniTo: Name WithheldSent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 7:10 PMSubject: Re: Kenites and Dr. Murray
Hi again Name Withheld,Very glad to hear from you.The only bible instructor I ever had was Arnold Murray. After that, I studied the bible for myself. I have had no other formal or informal instruction in the scriptures.I will not point out your inconsistencies, nor inaccuracies, nor what you do to give yourself away. Why? As intelligent as you seem to be, you should be able to figure that out for yourself.
The thing you forget is this. And I tell it to chapel students all the time. You would not be pointing out my errors, inconsistencies, and inaccuracies to convince me. That is not going to happen, I came out from Arnold Murray's teaching, on my own, back in the late 90's. And I'm not necessarily here to convince you either. But, of course, we would both like to see the other "reformed" and set on the right path.
But what is happening here is that many new students of the Chapel end up coming to my site, for various reasons, and they are going to read your message and merely see that you were unable to respond to my challenge. I basically silenced you. I see no more suggestions from you that I misheard Arnold. You are sticking by him regardless of being wrong. They are the ones you are basically telling, "you people are not worth my time, figure it out for yourselves." Like you said, I have sufficient intellect and knowledge to figure out the truth, (yet neither of these things is what the truth is revealed by, and this is one of Murray's greatest heresies, the truth is revealed by the Spirit of God, not by smarts and fake scholarship). But these new students are looking for you to provide some explanation, some sort of rebuttal.I know what I'm saying is very provocative, and I do not mean to be rude, but that is how it stands. No one has been able to effectively argue in favor of Arnold Murray's false teachings concerning the offspring of Cain or any other doctrine I have been critical of (and there are many). And if you are at all tempted to take up that banner, I suggest you view the page where I have listed all the previous attempts. http://oraclesofgod.org/emails/_kenites.htm None of them were very wise. Most of them stepped into the same traps over and over, they didn't learn from the mistakes of their brethren that went before them made. They barged in and made themselves examples of the poor scholarship and bad attitude which seems to afflict some people who study with Arnold Murray.I'm telling you this because I don't feel satisfied, I have had no real effective opposition from Chapel students. And these are supposed to be God's elect. The cream of the crop. Standing up for the truth and standing against Satan is supposed to be their special skill. If they cannot stand up against me, why should they believe they can stand against Satan? The truth is that Arnold Murray creates pupils who have been flattered into thinking they know their stuff, but who are merely parroting the speculative and imaginative ideas of a proven false prophet who is by mo means a competent scholar of Hebrew or Greek.And to be quite honest I understand why you would decline to enter into a discussion with me. No chapel student has ever fared well in a discussion with me. One thing you have going for you is that you are not venomous. You have kind spirit which I respect. But Arnold Murray's likes to boast about how biblically literate his students are, but I have found that most of them are unable to carry on an intelligent discussion and defend, BIBLICALLY, the teachings of the Chapel.I suppose I can count on you to allow me to continue unopposed and unrefuted. I would much rather add you to my trophy case as one who tried to stand up for the teachings of the Chapel. Isn't this supposed to be something so simple a child could explain it? How hard can it be to prove something so obvious.Sincerely,Paul Stringini
----- Original Message -----From: Name WithheldTo: Paul StringiniSent: Friday, February 07, 2014 1:01 AMSubject: Re: Kenites and Dr. MurrayPaul,
Should you post our correspondence, and I hope you do, the people who take the time to really study what we have posted to each other as well as what you have reflected on your site concerning Dr Murray's interpretation of scripture and his teaching as compared to yours, will be better able to decide what to believe for themselves.
That is a good thing for everyone visiting your site; and its good you as well.
Thank you again for your time.
Name Withheld
----- Original Message -----From: Paul StringiniTo: Name WithheldSent: Friday, February 07, 2014 12:48 PMSubject: Re: Kenites and Dr. Murray
Name Withheld, You are very welcome. I am at your service,Paul Stringini
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