I have heard Pastor Murray say many times that we are in the fifth trump.

I have heard Pastor Murray say many times that we are in the fifth trump.

Yes, he was saying that since 1995, or perhaps sooner. That was the first time I heard him say it. The thing I was never able to figure out definitively was WHY? I never heard him clearly explain how any real-life events actually lined up with the first five trumps.

Comment: If one considers that the events of the fifth trump were supposed to span 5 months, but Murray has been saying it has been going on for over TWENTY YEARS, it does not stretch the imagination to call Pastor Arnold Murray a confirmed false prophet.

The parable of the fig tree tells us we will know the season.

No, actually, the parable of the fig tree says that when we see the events that Jesus was talking about in the Olivet discourse come to pass, that the end of the age was near. I do not believe the parable of the fig tree has anything to do with Israel becoming a nation. The parable of the fig tree has reference to the events that Jesus had just mentioned. When you see the events detailed in Mark 13 coming to pass, you know that it is near even at the doors.

You must know that we are in the season but, no one knows when the sixth trump will happen.

No, I do not believe we are in the season. Arnold Murray has been documented as a false prophet. So, according to the Bible, anything he has to say on the subject is not to be taken as authoritative.

I often wonder how bad does it have to get before the six trump.

You cannot even tell me specifically what actually happened when the first five trumpets sounded. The trumpets have to be intelligible. If the trumpet gives an uncertain sound, we cannot get ready for the battle. But I assure you, it will get a lot worse than it is now before the end comes. This is just business as usual. The times we live in are unremarkable.

This is what the end times are like: Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; 26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken

These days just do not measure up.

It could begin tomorrow or it could begin in years from now. No one knows when.

"Even at the doors" in regard tot he fig tree, does not strike me as "Years from now." Quite honestly, your statement sounds to me like you are just covering for Arnold Murray's mistakes. And you are beginning to sound like the "any moment" crowd, except, for you, it is Satan at any moment. There will be actual signs, but I have yet to see a single sign that we are in the end times.

The Bible says we are to watch and be aware of what is happening in the world.

No, it does not. You are misinterpreting that, and so you are watching the wrong things. No wonder you see signs of the end everywhere. The bible says watch, but it does not mean, "Watch the News" It means to be on guard. Being on guard is totally different than watching human events. Both the wise and the foolish virgins knew the end had come. Everyone is going to know the end is come, they just won't understand what to do about it. "Watching" is about being prepared and spiritually exercised to stand in the evil day. "Watching" is not about watching news events and trying to read them into bible prophecy. That's what most of the watching people do these days amounts to, they've got the bible in one hand and the newspaper in the other and they are trying to make events fit. It is irresponsible. That is not watching, that is speculating.

It is obvious that the world is in serious turmoil.

Minor. Very minor. Go back a hundred years and I will show you what turmoil looks like. And you can bet that there were many at that time who also were saying it was all confirmation that bible prophecy was unfolding before their eyes.

You also obviously do not understand what the Bible says about the two witnesses.

I know exactly what the bible says about the Two witnesses. Let me show you something funny you wrote.

Perhaps you should study what some other ministers say.

Shouldn't you be directing me to my bible? Why are you directing me to study what men say? I don't get my interpretation of the two witnesses from what men say, I get it from the bible. Where do you get your interpretation? You already said so, you get it from men.

Most ministers agree that the two witnesses are Elijah and Moses.

First, I don't know if that is true (that most ministers agree on that), but I do know that no one gets that opinion from the Bible.

Revelation 20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Revelation 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

Revelation 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

After the falling away, only two candlesticks remain. It is perhaps one of the easiest prophetic slam-dunks.

I'm going to slip your comment from the second email in here.

The Bible says the two witnesses will be killed in the streets of Israel and will resurrect when Jesus comes. That doesn't work with your theory that the two witnesses are two churches. I hope this gets your attention to further study.

No, it works. When their testimony is finished they will be delivered up to Satan. I would expect that to be obvious to you. After WWII the Nazi's were all put on trial in one place Nuremburg. It is not so unusual to bring to trial a bunch of offenders in a single case in one venue.

Look around on some other ministers sites and you will see this.

I know they say it, but I'm not interested. The bible says nothing about that tradition. And that is exactly what it is. The idea that Moses and Elijah are the two witnesses is a tradition of men and it makes void the word of God. The bible is very clear as to the two witnessess.

You are supposed to be a Christian but all you do is attack Pastor Murray.

That is not true. Mostly what I do is raise my family, create bible music, and teach bible studies. I hardly do anything when it comes to Pastor Murray.

Here is the evidence. Here is everything I did about Pastor Murray since 9 years ago when I started talking about my experiences with him.

1. I wrote a short page about my experience with Shepherd's Chapel and why I reject the Chapel

2. I wrote six other very short pages on the Chapel dealing with who the Kenites are, Murray's false prophecy, Murray's fake scholarship etc

3. I responded to all the email that I got on the subject of Arnold Murray, that may look like a lot, but it averages out to about one a week. I make no apology for answering emails.

4. I Recorded a teaching on the Serpent's seed.

That's it. On top of that, I have not updated my Chapel page since February and that is not even really much of an update since the teaching (the Seed of the Serpent) is not exclusively about the Chapel. My last real update was in March 2014.

On the other side, in that time I have recorded hundreds of hours of bible studies, music and topical studies unrelated to Arnold Murray or the Shepherd's Chapel.

From my perspective, I hardly ever think about Arnold Murray, you guys are the ones who keep bringing the issue up to me. I understand that my website is provocative to some people, but to me it is something I do on the side. Not really much of a project.

Of course there are the people who write me about their family members who have fallen under the influence of Shepherd's Chapel. They don't agree with you. They like my work and see it as a service to them in trying to get their loved ones out of a bad church.

Maybe you should contact Dennis Murray and ask him if the two of you as Christians can discuss the subject.

That has been done. The Murrays have rejected accountability for years. Read their "Answer to Critics." That is all you get if you try to talk to them. Ever read a financial statement from them? And you never will either. Most churches adhere to certain accountability standards. Not the Chapel.

I find it very offensive that people like you want to argue with other people that you are always correct and they are always wrong.

That is the purest nonsense. I have never argued that I am always correct. I have even publicly retracted statements http://oraclesofgod.org/emails/email094.htm and publicly acknowledged my errors http://oraclesofgod.org/emails/email155.htm. You could not be further from the truth there. You think you are right about Murray, I disagree, but I'm not alone in that.

A person told me they did not want to argue about the Bible. I said, " No one should argue about the Bible. You should have meaningful discussion, debate and Bible study with others to come to a conclusion."

That is a fine semantic distinction you are making. But let me remind you that you earlier encouraged me to listen to men in regards to the two witnesses.

Someone like you who just wants to argue that you are right and everyone else is wrong, Is really a bad Christian because your only agenda is to fuel your ego and try and make everyone think you are special.

Here is the point where you take this into the gutter and start in with insults and accusations. I'm going to number the accusations and insults for you since you don't even seem to have noticed that you were making them.

1. "You want to argue" That is not true, let me remind you that YOU WROTE ME. I never send ANYONE emails looking to argue. I do not go around to forums and get in arguments with people. I never post in forums. I RESPOND to you, which is merely civil, you are the one who is attacking me and my beliefs because you don't like my opinions. I don't go around to pro-Chapel pages and harass them with accusations and insults like you are doing to me.

2. "You are right and everyone else is wrong" You sin against me by accusing me falsely, and the evidence is publicly available, you should do more research before you make an accusation. For one, you are not "everyone else" The followers of Arnold Murray are a very small minority of Christians. You make it sound like it is me against all Christianity. It is the exact opposite.

3. I'm "a really bad Christian" I guess that is based on your first two accusations. True or not, this is an insult and nothing less.

4. "your only agenda is to fuel your ego and try and make everyone think you are special" It is one thing to say, " I think you have that wrong" or "I disagree with your interpretation" or even "You are a false teacher" those are all legitimate opinions you could hold based on facts as you understand them. But where you go wrong is in your use of your imagination to create false accusations and slander against my character and motivations. You are completely in the wrong on that one.

Looking at the matter objectively, it would be more fair to say the one whose agenda was to fuel his ego was Arnold Murray. There is your guy. That is not how I choose to attack his ministry. I like to stick to the biblical points, but since you want to make this about personal attacks, then you should look out because people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones and if you want to talk about egos, then I want to talk to you about Arnold Murray, the guy who shoved his face onto everyone's TV and had a whole Television network DEDICATED to his talking FACE.

He was the one who believed he was right and everyone else was wrong. There are quite a lot of people, Christians, who agree with me that Arnold Murray was not only a false teacher, but that his teachings had a very poisonous effect on people. It is NOT me against everyone else. It is everyone else (and me) against Arnold Murray. He is the one with the far-out opinions who constantly bragged on TV about what a great guy he was. As far as being special, they taught me that everyone was special, and I tend to agree with that. That is why I take time to answer every email, because I respect the people who write me, even if they disrespect me. Arnold Murray ususally spared no more than a few seconds for people.

It seems to me that you have a grudge against Arnold Murray.

5 This is your fifth false accusation and/or insult

I've andwered this before. Wrong. No grudge, Arnold Murray was very nice to me, I'll say it again. Arnold Murray and his sons were very nice to me. It was very hard for me to come out against them. That is why it took me so long to speak out.

It is true that when a good minister surfaces like Arnold Murray, a lot of want to be, unlearned people like you try to attack them.

6 I am a "wanna be" I have seen a lot of Murray wanna be's and they usually try to imitate him. My teachings are no imitation of Pastor Arnold Murray. I have no interest in creating some bloated ministry like his. My ministry is already at it's maximum, it is all I ever intend or hope it to be. The only thing I would like to do more of is play my music in churches more, but that is completely my doing, attacking the Shepherd's Chapel will never get me anything I want out of the ministry, I never thought it would. I do it because it is my duty. I will continue to teach the bible and post those teachings to my website. I will continue to write and record bible music. I will continue to do my duty and single out Arnold Murray as a false teacher, because he was MY PASTOR. I am responsible for him.

7 I am "unlearned" If I'm unlearned it was due to the poor education I received from Arnold Murray, he was my bible teacher. According to him, I was a very sharp student. But Arnold Murray's mouth was so full of flatteries that I wouldn't take his word for it if I was you.

I consider those to be minor insults, but you are the one on his high horse. Believe me, I've heard worse. The only reason I'm pointing them out is because you seem to be unaware of the fact that you are attacking and insulting me as you talk about how mature you are and how you think Christians shouldn't attack other Christians.

It is also true that when a bad minister surfaces, they get attacked too.

Those who are weak ministers always attack the best to try and build up their own ego.

8 I am a "weak minister" That is what you are suggesting. I'm not going to argue the point. I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy to you.

9 I "attack the best to build up my own ego" If that is the case then my ego is getting ripped off.

Also, as a general statement, what you said there is not really true true. Usually, the powerful beat up on the weak.And when the weak attack the strong they target the weaknesses. I did not attack Murray at his strong points. I attacked his weak points. There is nothing Ego building about any of this. You are just comforting yourself by imagining things you would like to be true about me.

I will acknowledge that you are trying to be a minister but you are really going about it wrong by attacking other better ministers.

10 "I will acknowledge that you are trying to be a minister" That is rude condescention, you insult me and accuse me of a bunch of garbage and then pretend to throw me a bone, but it essentially a further insult.

Just pointing it out for you.

Quite frankly sir, you need a lot more Bible education before you start trying to impress everyone that you are a minister. I find most of your answers are wrong and I do not want to attack you, because I am not like you.

That is a lie. And you are an Hypocrite. You have done nothing but attack me personally the past few sentences. You have attacked my motives, my character, and insulted me. Whatever you want to say about me, the following is absolutely true. For all the things I have said about Arnold Murray, I have always honored his convictions as SINCERE. My convictions are also sincere, sir, and you have very ignorantly and rudely suggested that I am motivated by something other than sincere conviction. In that, you have sunk low and have acted in a very HYPOCRITICAL way. Admonishing me not to do the very thing that you are doing to me is pure hypocrisy. You are attacking me personally. You are not discussing anything I said. You are speculating about my motives. You are the guilty one. Teach yourself first you hypocrite.

11 I need a bible education - That may be your opinion, but it is still an insult.

12 I'm trying to impress people. That is afalse accusation which is not based on any facts.

13 I claim to be a minister. I'm a teacher, I teach. I am not a minister in the technical sense and have never claimed or suggest I was one. Nor have I ever desired to be one.

I do not want to attack you, because I am not like you.

You can't even say things that are true about yourself, no wonder you say all sorts of untrue things about me.

I would rather discuss things like mature adult Christians.

That is manifestly untrue. You proved that yourself. You speculate about my motives and character and insult me. And then you fancy yourself mature.

You really are trying to be a minister before you are ready.

14 "I am unready for ministry" Considering I'm 42 years old and have been studying the bible my whole life, some might say I was ready. But I'm not even saying I seek ministry.

Also, I have no respect for your judgment in this matter. Anyone who is willingly submitting to Arnold Murray's teachings is not a reliable judge of facts.

Arnold Murray is a Bible Scholar who has been studying Gods word from the original languages for 60 years.

That is not true. Arnold Murray was a fake scholar. He used his imagination to make up stories about the bible which were not actually from the bible. His knowledge of Hebrew and Greek was superficial. Everything you think you know about that guy was just him bragging about himself. The problem is that his scholarship does not stand up to scrutiny. While I believe he was sincere in his convictions, I do believe he was a fake when it came to his claims to scholarship. I came to this conclusion by studying the original languages myself. Did you do that? Then you really have nothing to say about the subject, do you?

Do you know that Arnold Murray passed away last year

Yes. I'm not going to stop just because the man is dead, his works live on. His face is still on their webpage.

or do you only attack him to bring attention to yourself.

#15 I ONLY do this to draw attention to myself. So according to you, I am not actually convicted that what Arnold Murray says is false, I ONLY do this because I want to draw attention to myself. See, that is not a mature question. That is incitement. And that is fine with me. But don't get on your high horse and preach to me about what a special mature guy you are, you hypocrite. You are down in the mud with everyone else. Do you think I enjoy reading this garbage?

I do what I do for the reasons I have stated hundreds of times. As one who supported and spread the teachings of the shepherd's chapel and Dr Arnold Murray, I feel convicted that I am partly responsible for the damage done and by way of restitution I am attempting to set my errors right.

60 years, and how long have you been studying the Bible ? Obviously not very long.

That information is publicly available. Plus, My credentials are my ability to teach. I am content to allow the Holy Spirit to judge who is ready for what. I'm not here to compare myself to Arnold Murray. 60 years and he was still wrong. Not very impressive if you ask me.

Do yourself a favor and do some more Bible study with other people who want to minister. Then you can become a good minister when the time is right. And, when you disagree with someone maybe write them and ask why they believe what they do and offer up why you believe what you do and maybe you can be friends in Christ instead of trying to be enemies.

Take your own advice first, you Hypocrite. You dare say that after attacking me? You did not ask me why I believe what I do. You just came on with the attacks. You are a hypocrite. That is indisputable. Follow your own advice before you start cramming it down my throat.

PEACE

And then you offered me peace. After all the personal attacks it is kind of ridiculous.

Sincerely,

Paul Stringini