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Long-Term Chapel Student Does not Like Me Criticizing a Christian Pastor

Question/Comment: 

----- Original Message -----

From: Email #267

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 8:35 AM

Subject: Shepherd's Chapel

There are always people eager to falsely accuse a man of God. You do so because you must resent his calling, reject his teaching, resist biblical authority, resent virtue, or are jealous of the Lord’s blessing on his life. Ultimately, however, you  demonstrate by making such accusations that they have become messengers of Satan. Such false accusations are one of his most dangerous weapons. Joseph, Moses, David, Jeremiah, Nehemiah, and our Lord Jesus Christ all suffered from false accusations.As a follower of Jesus Christ  I will always watch and beware of attacks against my  pastor and against his teaching because the wicked one is always looking to stir up confusion and harm the ministry of Christ. Your website is set up to enable contributions. This is the reason that people like you attempt to confuse members of Shepherd’s Chapel … it’s for your monetary gain. By posting a picture of your many children and “modest” home, you prey on those who may want to help you feed your family.I will remember you in my prayers in that you are angry over Shepherd’s Chapel evacuating the church pews when they “see the light” regarding the rapture theory. You are a false prophet and leading people astray. If you had a legitimate ministry, God’s word would speak for you and you would have no need to attack other ministries. 
Regards, Emailer #267

My First Response:

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Emailer #267

Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 3:17 PM

Subject: Re: Shepherd's Chapel

Hi, thanks very much for writing and letting your views be known. I need to clarify a thing or two.

 

I will remember you in my prayers in that you are angry over Shepherd’s Chapel evacuating the church pews when they “see the light” regarding the rapture theory.

 

I don't believe in the rapture.  And you talk about false accusations.  That is a false accusation.  I don't believe in the rapture and I don't believe in traditional church either. I don't go to church on Sunday (or Saturday), I'm always in the church.  You wrong me.  I'd be happy to take every pew in America and make a bonfire out of them.

 

You are a false prophet and leading people astray.

 

You need to substantiate that statement with something other than the lie you wrote about me believing or teaching the rapture.  I hate the rapture, it is one of the things that attracted me to Arnold Murray back when I was 19, I heard him teaching against the rapture.  I still hate the rapture.  So it is obvious to everyone that your assessment of me is uninformed.  Arnold Murray, on the other hand, has been documented to have made false predictions.  So I don't fear him, as the scripture instructs.  I pay him no reverence. He is a documented false prophet, and no one has ever refuted that. 

 

There are always people eager to falsely accuse a man of God

 

As you have been eager to falsely accuse me of teaching the rapture? Maybe you should investigate things before you shoot your email off next time, that way you won't embarrass yourself and make your teacher look bad too.  You are a reflection of him, whether you want to be or not.

 

Everything I have to say about Arnold Murray is based on what he actually teaches.  The words that actually come out of his mouth.  Other than my general assessment that Arnold Murray is a false teacher, you cannot name one "false accusation" I've supposedly made.  If you can, I will either dispute it or apologize.  As far as I know, I've never falsely accused him of anything.  If you disagree with my assessment of him as a false teacher, you are entitled to your opinion. But my opinion of him as a false teacher is based on the facts of what the bible says. 

 

The only time I ever misrepresented one of his teachings was documented by me and corrected publicly on my website, I can send you the link if you care to see it, and that is because I have no interest in making false accusations against Murray, if that was the case it would be easy for you to prove me a liar. But you can't do that. You didn't even bother to find out enough about me to know that I hate the rapture teaching.  As far as I know, when I argue against Arnold Murray's teachings, his teaching is represented with 100% accuracy.  I don't need to falsely accuse him, the things he teaches are false, in and of themselves.  If teaching false doctrine makes one a false teacher, then I am not the one who accuses Murray,  he accuses himself out of his own mouth.

 

I have said this many times.  For all the pride Chapel students take in their supposed "scholarship"  they are extremely reluctant to actually discuss the biblical disputes I make in regards to Dr. Arnold Murray's false doctrines. For example, no one has ever, not even once attempted to argue in favor of Arnold's fantasy about the elect being elected because they stood against Satan in the world that was.  No one ever argues with me about that, they are silent, because they know, you know, and I know, there is no way to support that idea biblically, you just have to take it on faith from Pastor Arnold Murray.  That's not biblical authority, that is man's authority, and as soon as you accept that doctrine, you are following a man, and not God's word.

 

It seems to me that you all would rather just make it about me personally instead of fighting for what you believe in.  I guess that seems like a short-cut to victory for you.  But all you do is gratify your desire to lash out at me for daring to speak against your exalted prophet.   You are not really accomplishing anything, people sitting on the fence see right through that. Other die-hard Arnold Murray students will pump their fists and cheer for you.  But the people who are like I was, who are troubled by some of the things Arnold Murray says and who question the way he handles God's word and brushes off serious questions about his teachings are going to see that you have nothing to offer here. You don't like the message, so you slander the messenger.  They read my writings, and know that I don't do that, I have a genuine beef with Arnold Murray's teachings and I base all my statements on what Arnold Murray really teaches.

 

Resent virtue?  Have you ever heard Arnold Murray talk about righteousness?  When the bible talks about righteousness he is more likely to shoot off in the opposite direction talking about self-righteous hypocrites.  Which is a very good description of himself, boasting about his own deeds and contradicting himself with his actions.  Arnold Murray bragged constantly about how he "never begs"  I wonder why he couldn't just let his actions speak for themselves...  Perhaps it was because he asked for donations constantly.  And if he did not tell people constantly that he "never begs"  they might look at his actions and realize that he makes merchandise of the word, just like all the other ministries he constantly ripped into. So he spoke contradictory words in hypocrisy in order to offset the fact that he was actively seeking donations.  "I never beg!"  "Please help us keep coming to you."  "The Book of Revelation - for only $XXX.XX Donation!"   There is nothing wrong with accepting donations, or even asking for them, but Murray's hypocrisy makes his virtue fake and therefore not virtuous.

 

Your website is set up to enable contributions. This is the reason that people like you attempt to confuse members of Shepherd’s Chapel … it’s for your monetary gain. By posting a picture of your many children and “modest” home, you prey on those who may want to help you feed your family.

 

I'm damned if I do, and damned if I don't with you people.  If I don't show how I live, people write me and say that I'm getting rich off of Arnold Murray and that I'm concealing my identity etc. Then I put up some pictures and invite people to be my friends on facebook and see how I live, and you guys read all kinds of imaginary manipulativeness into it.  You can read whatever sinister motives into what I do as you please.  But the truth is that I have never gotten a single donation from anyone who said, "Keep up the work against Arnold Murray!"  In the few years I've had that donation link up I think I have had, at the absolute most, 20 individual donors,  and of the ones that  said anything to me about why they were giving me anything, said  it was because they listen to my line by line bible studies or my music.  That's all I have ever heard.  So if I'm in this to make money, by now you would think I would have figured out it isn't working and move on to something more profitable.  I do what I do for my conscience' sake.

 

You chose to make this about me and my motives.  But unlike Murray. I don't make my boast about any of my virtues, my boast is rather in my weaknesses, for which I receive much grief from you all.  Name one of Arnold Murray's struggles, one of his sins, name one way in which he has laid himself before you and expose the reality about himself, a mere man, naked and weak.  But the people who study with me know what I am about without me having to boast about myself, its all there.

 

You are the one who falsely accuses me.  You think you know my motives.  You are wrong.  I have never said, "Arnold Murray does  what he does to get rich."  I have always assumed his motives were pure.  But I don't have to know his motives to witness his actions, to see how he asks for donations constantly while bragging about how he "never begs." And he stopped allowing the free distribution of his teaching materials, if his motive was to get the word out there, that is certainly a contradiction.  He sure acts like he is at least partially motivated to rake in the money.  If his only motivation was to get his message out there, then he would not have gotten so angry at his materials being distributed on the internet for free.  All his blustering about protecting his material is nonsense, he was protecting something alright.   He can't protect himself from criticism.  I can use his materials all I like to criticize him, that is called "fair use" All he accomplished was to stop his students from getting his teachings (beyond the daily broadcast) without paying for them.

 

I post my studies on thepiratebay, and every other free sharing site I can find.  Does someone who is motivated by profit hand his goods over to people who do nothing but steal intellectual property?  I want to help people understand the bible, so people can download all my teachings without having to buy outdated CD's or watch it on TV.

 

By posting a picture of your many children and “modest” home, you prey on those who may want to help you feed your family.

 

Prey?  Is it so predatory?  I know where I stand, so from my perspective, you are talking about fantasy land.  When you live in that kind of fantasy realm, it is no wonder to me that Arnold Murray was able to prey on YOU, with fantasy fables and titillating tales for itching ears. My diabolical strategy:  Get married (now for 20 years), have eight kids and live in a two bedroom house with two toilets and a bathtub, that is my get rich quick scheme.  I just watch the money come rolling in from all the pity.

 

The truth is, most people envy me, I've never had one person ever come up and tell me they feel sorry for me. I live modestly so that I can feed my family,  If I lived any other way, like many pastors (and I am no pastor), I would need to beg! But I never asked anyone for help. I drive a 92 Oldsmobile, and when it breaks, I fix it myself with my own two hands to save money. I don't need help, so I don't ask for it.  I get donations because people feel obligated to repay me for the services I render to them. I am not a charity. It only says donation because I don't sell anything, the teachings are all free, the music is all free, and people wanted to give, so I put out the "little box in the back"  like Arnold used to say, and every once in a while someone puts something in it.  But I am not a tax free charity or any such nonsense. 

 

I do not accept donations because I need donations, I accept donations because it is right for people to pay me.  They need to donate, I do not need their donations. I never asked for a donation from anyone. I supported this ministry out of my own pocket since 1998, I was still basically a chapel student back then, I did not come out against Murray until 2007, and I did not have the donation button until sometime after 2009 when I began teaching the bible online.  But even before I had the button, people sent me money because of my music.  Before I came out against the chapel, people sent me money, and I probably lost more than I gained by coming out against him.  A lot of my fans were Chapel students.

 

If I wanted to make money, I would definitely choose a different ministry to pick on.  You guys are so conceited and self centered. There is no money in criticizing Arnold Murray, he is a puny segment of Christianity, it is not a money making proposition.  I target Murray because he was my teacher, not because it would be profitable, believe me, rest assured, it is not.  I'm not qualified to talk about Baptists or Catholics, I talk about the man who instructed me in the bible.  If the Catholics had taught me false doctrine, I would probably be writing about them, but I was a student of Arnold Murray.   

 

 I have seen the men who profit off religion, and I assume you have seen them too,  are you really comparing me to them?  Most of you who I talk with, will at least grant me some measure of intelligence.  Money cannot be my motive.  If money was my motive, I would do things differently. Plus, I think it takes a particular kind of conscienceless slimeball to use religion to make money.  And anyone who listens to my teachings will know that I don't do it for money, but not because I do what Arnold Murray used to do, which is sound a trumpet and declare that I hate to even talk about money (but somehow manage to talk about it a whole lot lot lot) and that I "never beg" (but this bible is gonna cost you $100 DONATION, and won't you please help us keep coming to you?  Because if you don't support us... we prune early! ...That is basically a threat to take the teachings away if you do not pay their Television bill (He used to say that back in the 90's when I studied with him, at least.  A reasonable policy, but a sleazy and manipulative thing to say to people who are just trying to learn about God's word.)

 

 If you had a legitimate ministry, God’s word would speak for you and you would have no need to attack other ministries. 

 

If that is the case then Arnold Murray did not have a legitimate ministry either.  He was always attacking other ministries.  Ever heard him talk about the guys with "backward collars?"  He attacks other ministries in a rather cowardly way.  He talks about them, but then refuses to tell us who he is talking about.  That is not gallant, that is cowardly.  It is not even biblical.  The bible routinely gives us the names of false prophets.  If there was a repeat child molester on your block, would you want to know his name?  Or would you think protecting his privacy was more important than protecting children?  Well the bible calls us to "mark them" that walk contrary to the teachings of Christ.  Romans 16, you can look it up if you don't know it. And if you were familiar with the bible you  would know that the Apostles routinely named false teachers, that is the easiest way to identify them.  The reason Arnold Murray refused to name false teachers, ministries or denominations had nothing to do with biblical righteousness.  But he routinely ripped into many other ministries based on their teachings, which is also fine.  But there is nothing wrong with naming the false teacher.  The bible does not teach that, that is something you take on faith from Murray.

 

I do allow God's word to speak for me.  I have hundreds of hours of free bible studies.  Chapter by chapter, line by line.   When I teach against Arnold Murray, it is not with false accusations as you have falsely accused me, but I use the scriptures to demonstrate how he manipulates and abuses the scriptures and pretends to be a scholar to provoke people to placing more trust in his wild interpretations than they deserve.

 

If you have any further remarks, feel free to write.

 

Sincerely,

Paul Stringini

 

Emailer's First Reply:

----- Original Message -----

From: Email #267

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 7:53 PM

Subject: Re: Shepherd's ChapeL

Paul, You need help. Really."You want to blow up every pew in america".You're one sick puppy! You.preach the love of Christ .I would love to set down with you, face to face.and debate you..I have been in the Chapel 28 years.I really believe you're jealous of Pastor Murray.Dont waste your time sending me a message. You see Arnold in your sleep .You're full of hate for him.But then you use his tapes.You are no teacher. You're a seven day wonder.Like I said, maybe you're an atheist. It really sounds like it.You are ignorant to the word of God.Notice on God I use capital G. But you always use the little g. huuuummmmm.  That gives you away too a well trained student,because little g are false gods. Ours are always God ..you and Matt Slick make a pair of two idiots. GET SOME MENTAL HELP YOU NEED IT. Emailer #214,   THE WALKING BIBLE 

My Second Response:

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Email #267

Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 12:09 AM

Subject: Re: Shepherd's ChapeL

Well, it is dishonest of you to pretend to quote me putting words in my mouth that are not even close to what I said.

 

Paul, You need help. Really."You want to blow up every pew in america".You're one sick puppy!

 

I never said that, I said I would take them and make a bonfire.  Ever been to a bonfire?  No bombs. Bonfire. No bombs involved.  Look it up if you have never heard of a bonfire.  Anyways the people reading my website are going to see the way you twisted what I said. The point was that you accused me of being hurt by Murray drawing people out of traditional churches.  I said what I said because I think the pew itself is one of the problems with churches.  I would be happy to take the pews and burn them and have people interact with each other.  The couch where you sit watching Murray is no  different than a pew,  you should also throw that in the fire and go do something more profitable to the body.

 

You. preach the love of Christ .I would love to set down with you, face to face.and debate you..

 

No you would not.  You are just bragging. You have already thrown in the towel.  I can tell because you started out by picking on a basically irrelevant point and totally blowing it out of proportion.  I threw a few subjects at you, but you will not bite.  I get this all the time, you guys love to brag about how you would debate me, but I know everything you are going to say, and you will be the one getting surprised at every turn, that is what always happens.  But just in case we did get the chance to debate, I suggest you listen to MY teaching on the serpent seed so that you don't come out unprepared.  http://oraclesofgod.org/questions/audio/003_The_Seed_of_the_Serpent.mp3

 

I have been in the Chapel 28 years.

 

All that tells me is that you have been listening to Arnold Murray uncritically, probably following the breadcrumb trails he leads you on, but not doing any real independent study.  Because there is no way you could listen to Arnold Murray that long and not begin to start questioning what you were being taught without being either blind or completely derelict in your duty.

 

I really believe you're jealous of Pastor Murray.

 

That is a very interesting theory. But you are incorrect. Why would I be jealous of a guy who is a false prophet and a teacher who makes merchandise out of God's word?

 

Dont waste your time sending me a message.

 

I will determine what is a useful way to spend my time.  How about you don't waste your time writing me next time, if that is how you feel about it.  But you are not wasting my time so far as I am concerned.

 

You see Arnold in your sleep .

 

Bah, that's nonsense, I hardly ever think about him, except for every few weeks when one of you sends me a message.  Arnold Murray is not really very significant, it is a very very small part of my ministry.

 

You're full of hate for him.

 

That is also nonsense.  Hate would be for me to say nothing.  Have you not read?  Lev 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. 28 years a student, and you still know not the scriptures?  It is not hate to rebuke a false prophet, far from it.  It would be hate to just sit silently by.

 

But then you use his tapes.

 

I bought all his tapes between 1993 and 1996 back when I was a student of Shepherd's Chapel.  I certainly don't "use " them to teach. Occasionally I might pull one out to refresh my mind in regards to what MURRAY's teaching was on a particular subject.  For example someone wrote me and asked me about Arnold Murray's view on baptism.  I told her what he said, and actually in that case she was relieved because she though he was "Jesus only" and I told her correctly that he baptizes "in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit."  I don't want to make up stuff about Murray, I like to make sure I got it straight.

 

You are no teacher.

 

Well you have never listened to one of my bible studies, so how would you know? http://oraclesofgod.org/studies   At least I've listened to Murray, and when I give my opinion about his teachings, I'm not like you just throwing mud at him having no idea what he is all about.  When I teach the bible, I teach the bible, I don't dwell on Murray, tough he occasionally comes up,  when I talk about false teachings or my past, but he is not the only person who ever gets mentioned.

 

You're a seven day wonder.

 

I've been around on the internet since 1998 and I get thousands of hits a day and have gotten them for years now, and years to come.  I've been leading bible studies and teaching for over 20 years.   7 days?  If you listened to just my audio teachings every waking moment of the day, for seven days, you would not get through half of the work I have available online for free, not to mention all the hundreds of pages of writings and hours of music.  People spend a lot of time listening to my bible studies, reading my writings and listening to my music because they are deeply edified by them.  My ministry is growing.

 

Like I said, maybe you're an atheist.

 

Well, if you think Murray is God then I understand why you might consider me an atheist... but opposing Murray is not the same as opposing God.  You have a really distorted perspective. Probably because you have been wasting your time for 28 years listening to a guy who distorts the scriptures right before your eyes and you actually let him do it.  And of course, you can't believe me, you can't even seriously consider it, you've totally been taken in, and it would take a miraculous amount of humility for you to even question it. 

 

It really sounds like it.

 

Look, I can demonstrate my faith by my works.  How about you? I spend several hours a week recording bible studies.  That is odd behavior for an Atheist.  I have written over 70 chapters of the bible into songs.  Is that how the unbelievers exercise their creativity?  Get serious.

 

You are ignorant to the word of God.

 

That is not how it would come out if you dared actually talk about the bible with me instead of making this a personal attack.  You continually attack my person.  You can say I'm ignorant.  But you could neverdemonstrate it.  I would just turn it around on you and show everyone how you are actually the one who does not know his bible.  And I can say that because studying the bible more deeply is what led me away from Murray.  I know that he distorts the bible.  And if you are still listening to him after 28 years, and you have not figured it out yet, well, you must be ignorant and I'm quite sure I could expose your ignorance and show that you are just a big talker. I'm out here doing it.  I have done it to people like you over and over.  I've seen dozens like you. 

You have an over inflated sense of your own abilities, that's Arnold's doing, he corrupted you with flattery.  He told you you were the sharpest tool in the shed so often that you believed it without actually doing the work.

 

Notice on God I use capital G. But you always use the little g. huuuummmmm.  That gives you away too a well trained student,

 

A well trained student might be aware that domain names and email adresses never have capital letters. So basically you are exposing yourself as unknowledgeable.  I refer to God with a capital G att the time.   I'm not saying I've never made a typo.  But oraclesofgod.org cannot be OraclesofGod.org  that is actually impossible.  Well-trained?  You are speaking out of your lack of knowledge.

 

because little g are false gods. Ours are always God ..

 

Does a well trained student realize that the bible was written in all upper case letters?  Even false Gods were written in all uppercase letters in the original manuscripts, or are you unaware of that too?

 

you and Matt Slick make a pair of two idiots.

 

Ah yes, the inevitable name-calling.  And then associating me with an enemy. (I do not consider Matt Slick any friend of mine)

 

GET SOME MENTAL HELP YOU NEED IT.

 

You are projecting your own problems on to me.  What a fine example of another one of "god's elect."  Yes, I used the small "g"  because  the god described by Arnold Murray is not the God of the Bible, the god of Arnold Murray is the product of Arnold Murray's imagination which he then projected onto the Bible.

 

Emailer #267,   THE WALKING BIBLE 

That makes sense.  To you, the Bible is not the book handed down from generation to generation.  You are the bible.  You are god's word (little g)  You and Murray use the bible to infect people with ideas that are not in the real Bible.  In this you have spoken truly.  The scriptures are not the bible to you, no... to you,  Emailer #267 is the Bible.  And the bible does not mean what it says, the bible means what Emailer #267 says.  You are Murray's disciple in truth, because that is exactly how he was..

 

For Example:  When the scripture says: Genesis 4:1 "And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain,"  Some people might be tempted to think that the Bible is plainly saying that Adam was the Father of Cain.  After all, this is a clear case of cause and effect.  But, in your case, the scriptures are not God's word,  Emailer #267 is God's word, so you would say that we should not believe what the scriptures say, but rather believe what Emailer #267 says.  In other words we should ignore what Genesis 4:1 clearly says, and instead listen to what you say is hidden there.

 

You wish you could have a debate with me? I would bury you.  Others have found out the hard way.  http://oraclesofgod.org/emails/_kenites.htm  http://oraclesofgod.org/emails/_attack.htm   Come on, try me.  Or maybe it would be best if you took your own advice and stopped writing me before you truly regret it.  God is not with you in this, you will lose. 

 

Sincerely,

Paul Stringini

 

Emailer's Second Reply:

----- Original Message -----

From: Emailer #267

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 8:22 AM

Subject: Re: Shepherd's ChapeL

I will be happy to meet you for a debate. Bring your Bible, I don't need one. I hope you are knowledgeable on Hebrew and Greek.

I have ran a long check on you. You and Matt Slick .... bring him with you. I will slice and dice, both of you and hang you out to dry.

You use Pastor Murray's tapes to "refresh your mind". If not for Pastor Murray, you wouldn't have a ministry. I have learned one thing: If you argue with a fool long enough, you have two fools arguing. Meet me in St Louis and I'll take that pride out of you and show you that you are just a boy.

I saw how you were rattled during the "tongues" issue on the web. It seems that you have been ran out of every church that you have been involded in ... I can see why you want to "burn all of the church pews"

Because of your pride, you witness Christ to other people as if you're calling their mother a bitch. Maybe you should focus solely on your music.

Now, go take your schizo meds and try to keep that mental problem under control. I feel sorry for your wife and kids. I hope and pray, for your sake, that you get well soon. 

Keep listening to Arnold's tapes and just maybe God will put the love in your heart so that you can love other Christians.

See you in St Louis .... anytime.

My Third Response:

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Emailer #267

Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 11:38 AM

Subject: Re: Shepherd's ChapeL

I will be happy to meet you for a debate.

We have already been having a debate.  But you refuse to discuss the issues. All you seem to be interested in is making personal attacks. You TALK about a hypothetical debate. But I don't think you are up for it because you refuse to discuss anything except ME in our current discussion.   If you won't debate me now, I have no reason to trust that you would even show up or know what you were doing.

 

Bring your Bible, I don't need one.

When you are talking about unbiblical doctrines, it makes sense to leave your bible at home. But you sure do like to toot your own horn, don't you?

 

I hope you are knowledgeable on Hebrew and Greek.

You'd better hope I'm not.  Anyone who continues to study with Arnold Murray for 28 years cannot be a competent scholar of the ancient languages.  You are probably a lot like Murray, you've studied enough of the languages to impress people who know nothing.  But anyone who really examines Murray's self-proclaimed scholarship will find that he is basically a fraud, and so are you.

 

I have ran a long check on you.

 

That is not true, and when I post our discussion on my webpage everyone will know you are lying because in your very first letter you thought I was a follower of the rapture teaching.  Anyone who had merely scanned my Murray page would have quickly discovered that I do not believe in the rapture.  I suppose that since that first message you did go and scan my webpage.  That is not what I would call "a long check" 

 

You and Matt Slick .... bring him with you.

Why would I bring Matt Slick? I don't know him and I don't like him.  Why don't you bring Dennis Murray and I'll bring my video camera?

 

I will slice and dice, both of you and hang you out to dry.

 

Slice and dice?  If I said something like that, you would take it literally and say I was "one sick puppy" again.  But I don't fight dirty like you.   Nobody likes a dirty fighter, that is usually the way the villain fights.   

 

You use Pastor Murray's tapes to "refresh your mind".

 

Yeah, It's been a long time since I studied with him, and I can't always remember what he taught on some subjects.  I'm just being honest, unlike some people.

 

If not for Pastor Murray, you wouldn't have a ministry.

 

If we were having a debate, that would be irrelevant. That is sort of like saying that if it wasn't for the Alcohol industry, AA wouldn't have a "ministry." When I was young and ignorant, Arnold Murray stuck his face in my bedroom and deceived me and I became his student. I do not grudge that education. I'm thankful, but I direct my thanks to God, not Murray.  Arnold Murray built his ministry on the work of others also.  And he built a lot of it through tearing down other people's belief's that he thought were in error. Arnold Murray's ministry does a lot of damage to people and they write me and tell me so.  If you don't like it, tough.

 

I have learned one thing: If you argue with a fool long enough, you have two fools arguing.

 

You have begun to sense your peril.  But if I am the fool, then why are you the one who says so many foolish things? 

 

Meet me in St Louis and I'll take that pride out of you and show you that you are just a boy.

 

St. Louis?  Why not now?  I can't go down to St, Louis to meet with you.  I don't even know you.  You have not persuaded me one iota that you would even be a challenge.  You probably would not even show up.  Do you have a venue?  I do.  Right here. Right now, we are already talking.  Arnold Murray's teachings.  I already mentioned one or two.  The elect who stood against Satan in the world that was.  Defend your teacher.  The Serpent seed.  Stop obsessing about me and show us this great knowledge and skill of yours.  Come to Chicago, I would be happy to arrange a neutral venue and find an impartial moderator and to record video and post it to the internet. I have a track record, I can be trusted to follow through, you are just some random guy emailing me.  You have no track record. 

I saw how you were rattled during the "tongues" issue on the web.

 

You are dreaming.  I've never been "rattled" on any biblical issue on the web, (if by that you mean "shaken up").  I do not invest so much pride in my own opinions that I could be rattled like that.  I've had my mind changed, and even been defeated, but never rattled.  I'd gladly take you on any subject you choose so long as I get to pick one also.  Because what I believe is not really the subject.  Whatever I believe does not vindicate Arnold Murray. 

 

It seems that you have been ran out of every church that you have been involded in ...

 

I've never been run out of anywhere. It's funny that what you consider  a "check" on me consists of you reading articles I post to my own website and reading into them your own imaginations.  That is not surprising, because if you actually dared to talk about the bible with me  I would demonstrate to everyone reading this that you do the same thing to the scriptures.

 

I can see why you want to "burn all of the church pews"

Good job on that quote.  You want to empty them.  What is it to you if we burn them afterward?  There are a lot of things in this world that need to be burned, or did you forget that?  What do you think Jesus thinks of the pews?  When the consuming fire of God appears to burn up the rudiments of this world, do you suppose that we will still have church pews?  Whose side are you on?  You are blinded by your own need to make a devil out of me and in the process you make a devil out of yourself.

 

Because of your pride, you witness Christ to other people as if you're calling their mother a bitch.

 

What?  I think you are projecting your own faults onto me again.  I mean, anyone reading this is going to see your behavior.

 

Maybe you should focus solely on your music.

 

I had the same thought the other day, because I can only sing for so long before my voice gets too old.  But people like you keep me coming back to this subject.  What did you accomplish in writing me?  I'll tell you.  You have made yourself and Arnold Murray look bad to people sitting on the fence.  You won't discuss the issues.  You continually reach for ways to simply defame me.

 

Now, go take your schizo meds and try to keep that mental problem under control.

 

If I was mentally ill, that would mean you were picking on and verbally abusing a mentally ill person.  Good job.  That is just the sort of Christian love I have come to expect from one of Arnold Murray's students of 28 years.

 

I feel sorry for your wife and kids.

 

I suppose you think you are clever. Do you really think your words do anything but make me smile?  You are flailing in the dark and trying to wound me, but you are only bloodying your own hands.  You do not wound me, you only make yourself look bad. You attack my family.  Most people would consider that the act of a coward.  You won't discuss the bible with me, you want to use my family to hurt me.  Everyone is going to think you are a coward.  Even your fellow students.

 

I hope and pray, for your sake, that you get well soon. 

 

How very saintly of you.

 

Keep listening to Arnold's tapes and just maybe God will put the love in your heart so that you can love other Christians.

I do love other Christians, that is why I take the time to discuss the biblical issues with them.  You on the other hand, don't care about the biblical issues but are only interested in satisfying yourself by scoring a few "zingers" on me.  You are just abusing me.  Start to finish.  Anyone who cares to look on my webpage will see that I am polite and gracious to everyone who wants to discuss the bible.  And you are going to say I'm not so with you.  I have been.  But I'm not a doormat. 

 

Every time I listen to Arnold nowadays I hear things I missed when I studied with him.  The way he puts people down who disagree "they're just a little bit stupid"  and flatters everyone who agrees with him "you are sharp!"  I will continue to go back to his tapes, but believe me, nothing is going to come of that which would please you.

 

See you in St Louis .... anytime.

See you right here right now anytime.  Serpent seed, World that was,  find something I said about Murray that you feel was wrong and off we go.

 

Emailer's Third Reply:

----- Original Message -----

From: Emailer #267

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 1:50 PM

Subject: Re: Shepherd's ChapeL

You are right. I was wrong for abusing someone that I can see is mentally challenged. Your website is set so you can get the last word. Don't send any more emails unless you want to meet face to face. Just name the place, Saturday, in St Louis. But, you won't show. I came after you for attacking Pastor Murray. You mentioned discussing serpant seed; that's baby food. It's your call. Either show up, Saturday, or cut off all contact. You will lose weather you show up or not. This will be a drive of 345 miles, for me. But I'll be there.

My Fourth Response:

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Emailer #267

Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 3:21 PM

Subject: Re: Shepherd's ChapeL

If you do not wish to get emails from me then you can just stop sending me messages.  You contacted me. 

 

Why are you so dead set on making a face to face meeting in St. Louis?  Why not show just put me to shame right here?  The reason is very simple.  You feel fairly certain I can't make it to St Louis.  Your strategy is transparent.  You keep clucking about this fantasy you have of a showdown in St. Louis.  I'll debate you right now.  Right here. You are the one who is ducking the conversation.  Not me.

 

I remember bullies like you in elementary school, "Meet me at the park after school!"  Then I show up, and no bully.  No thanks. How about we fight right here right now?  Oh what? Are you saying you are not good enough to debate me over email?  Are you saying that you can only debate face to face because that suits you better?  You sound like a Prima Donna, you can't debate until just the right circumstance.  That's a total cop out.  If you are so great you could show me up anyplace, any time, so why not RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW?! 

 

You are not trustworthy.  You are a known liar.  Do you think I'm about to trust you and drive down to St. Louis based on the promise of a known liar?  Long-term Chapel students are some of the most dirty, underhanded, backstabbing people I have ever encountered, they think nothing of using underhanded tactics and write it off as "covert activity." 

 

Besides I'm not going to waste two days going down to meet some dude who wrote me insulting me so that we can sit in a McDonald's and have an argument no one will witness. I want the debate RECORDED, so it might as well be in writing. 

 

If you want to debate me, you have to make it worth my while.  It has to be in public.  Reserve a hall, hire a moderator, send me a formal invitation.  Show me you mean it.  Otherwise you are just talking. yak yak yak.  I know people who could arrange a debate up here in Chicago, perhaps we could get the Moody Bible institute to host, but why do that when we are already talking?  You are the one all fired up about a debate, ok, get to work then, convince me you are serious.  I'm not going to take you up until you show commitment.

 

To put it simply:  I don't believe you.  You are not serious.  You are just posturing.  "I asked him to debate, but he wouldn't do it!"  I'm waiting for you here, we are already talking.  You have already seen my face, let me see yours, send me your photograph so I can post it with your message.  That way it will be the face to face debate that you claim that you covet, I'll print your name too, if that is what you want.  "Emailer #267 (aka The Walking Bible) debates Paul Stringini"  I'll put your picture on one side and mine on the other face to face.  I could print your picture and tape it to my computer screen whenever I write you.  You could do the same, that would be fun.

 

 I've been asking you to debate right here and right now but it is quite obvious that you do not want to discuss the scriptures with me, you just want to strut and cry, "cock-a doodle-doo."  Man up. Come on. 

 

If you don't like the way I do things on my website, then post our discussion on YOUR OWN website and I could link to your version of things and you could link to mine.   I'm always fair, whatever you say will go up, I'll even put you on the fast track.  And I don't always have the last word.  I do generally get it but it is not because it is my website, it is because you guys generally quit on me.  I generally out-last the Chapel Student.  You've been talking about ending this for the past several messages.  But I'm just getting going,  face it, you don't have what it takes to stand up to me. You are already starting to cry about ending this.  All you do is posture and bluster. And then you try to just get me to stop,  you can't keep it up.

 

I've been debating this with people like you for eight years now.  And you are going to be the one to slice and dice me? 

 

Let me tell you something.  You've already made a fool of yourself. Pretty much from the beginning, so here's what you can do.  Start over, write me under a different name, because you in this exchange you got eaten up a long way back.

Emailer's Fourth Reply:

----- Original Message -----

From: Emailer #267

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 3:56 PM

Subject: Re: Shepherd's ChapeL

Let me tell you something, boy. I've been studying 32 years. I don't want to hide behind a computer. I prefer to look my opponent in the eye. Again, if you have any Bible knowledge, at all, just bring your paperwork and reference books and material. I want to see you face to face, coward. Your website is like looking at the funny papers. You won't meet me. Just continue to hide behind the computer and use Arnold's tapes. You know nothing. You are just a "hothouse lily". You don't want to show, so I won't waist my time anymore. You're just another babbler. You have nothing else. You continue to destroy the young students of Shepherd's Chapel with your babble. 

You are afraid. God doesn't give us a spirit of fear.

By the way, are you taking anything for being bipolar? Go ahead and stay hid so you don't have to look at anyone. This is how smart you are: You post at the bottom of your web page that you aren't there to raise funds, then you have a donation button that accepts just about every credit card. Do you have a trade/profession or do you rely solely on contributions?

If you can't meet me face to face, don't send any more emails. 

Don't tell me that people quit on you because you out debated them ... they left because they know you are a nut ... just as I have found out. You lose. 

Do you believe in the oneness of God? I think you believe in the trinity ... another word not used in the Bible, but I've seen you use it. Did you get baptized in the name of Jesus? I hope you aren't going back to Mathew 28:19 in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Notice in Mathew 28:19, it says "name" singular. And when the church started, in the book of Acts, the Apostles ALWAYS baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. I bet you didn't know that, did you boy? So now take you Bible to your room and study to show thyself approved, because you have shown me NOTHING.

The One God Believer, Emailer #267

My Fifth Response:

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Emailer #267

Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 6:07 PM

Subject: Re: Shepherd's ChapeL

Let me warn you, near the end of this message, on the last subject, I burn you hard, right down to the ground, I mean you are totally discredited as an authority on Arnold Murray's teachings.  Don't miss it.  I'm going to be sure to draw people's attention to it.

 

Let me tell you something, boy. I've been studying 32 years. I don't want to hide behind a computer. I prefer to look my opponent in the eye.

 

Only the colossally immature resort to calling other men "boy."  You can talk about all the years of study, but it's all just wasted time.  After 28 years of Murray, you still stand with him?  That's all I need to know.  I have no respect for your studying.  I've torn Murray down and I'd do the same to you.

 

Again, if you have any Bible knowledge, at all, just bring your paperwork and reference books and material.

 

You have  an unbalanced impression of me.  I'm not a tool-based teacher.  Though if you are going to expose Murray, you need to break out the tools he claims support his ideas.

 

 I want to see you face to face, coward.

 

Everyone who reads this exchange already sees who the coward is. (that would be you) You are hiding behind an unreasonable demand.  You demand I drive down to St. Louis to see you. Can't do it.  We could have an email debate, but you are just so needy and sensitive, that you have to look me in the eye to be able to perform.  Quit being such a complete prissy.  Take what you can get or shut up. 

 

Your website is like looking at the funny papers.

 

I'd have to respect your judgment for that to hurt me.

 

You won't meet me.

 

I will meet you, but not in St. Louis.  You have to come to Chicago.  I can't go to St. Louis. Besides, what kind of fool would I be to go and meet a KNOWN ENEMY at the place of his choosing? I'm not stupid.  If you want a face to face meeting it is going to be in a public venue in Chicago, my turf.

 

But really, it is you who won't meet me.  Not in the arena of ideas.  This is the most neutral place we could meet, and you won't do it.

 

I've said again and again that I'd meet you, but you don't want to negotiate, that shows you are not really serious. 

 

Just continue to hide behind the computer and use Arnold's tapes.

 

I'm not hiding, you are hiding.  You won't come out of your shell and talk with me.  And by the way, I PAID for those tapes.

 

You know nothing. You are just a "hothouse lily".

 

Again, maybe if you demonstrated that you actually knew something, people might respect your opinions.  I don't need to argue with you about what I know, people can read my webpage and judge for themselves.  Do you have a webpage?  In 32 years, what do you have to show for all your efforts other than a vastly inflated sense of your own ability?  I'm not in a hothouse, I'm in the fire, every day.  I subject myself to you and your kind and I get stronger and stronger.

 

You don't want to show, so I won't waist my time anymore.

 

By all means, please place your tail between your legs and slink off.

 

You're just another babbler. You have nothing else.

 

You describe yourself well.  But people who come to my website will see that I do not babble.  I write logically and intelligently.  You are only capable of stamping your feet and shaking your fist at me.  

 

You continue to destroy the young students of Shepherd's Chapel with your babble. 

 

Ah, we see now the source of your rage.  You know that I am effective at turning people away from Arnold Murray's corrupt teachings.  You know that I expose the distortions and flaws in his teachings.  But instead of defending them where it would do the most good (on the internet)  You decide to challenge me to a fake debate "Saturday" that  these young students will never get to see, and that you know I'm almost certainly not going to be able to attend, and to which you would not show up.   And it is all just a front so you can stomp your feet and protest about how I'm such a coward.  And what do you think that gets you?  You think you make me look like a chicken.  But everyone is going to see that you could not rise to MY CHALLENGE. 

 

My challenge to you has been standing for eight years. We are already in the Arena, you and I, the debate has already begun. I'm standing here holding the sword, and you have a sword right there with you, but you refuse to take it up and start crying to me about how you need to take the debate to another arena.  I MADE THIS CHALLENGE.  You will either fight here and now in the arena where I stand, or you can go cry foul to all your pals.  I really don't care.  I'm the one who decides who I have time for. You have plenty of time, you are already not doing anything!  Where is your website?  What is your youtube channel?  Where do you share all your many gifts?  Where does your light shine?   I look you up too, a faceless facebook page, you and Glenda.  Faceless.

 

You are afraid. God doesn't give us a spirit of fear.

 

No. That is you.  Your fear is what makes you rage against me.  Being smart is not the same as being afraid.  But afraid is what you are.  That is why you won't take me on right here right now. You need to set the bar so high for a debate that you can assure that there never will be one.  It is so transparent.

 

By the way, are you taking anything for being bipolar?

 

These are the sorts of comments that really show people the sort of spirit Arnold Murray's teaching inspire in his long-term students.  Thanks for setting a great example for the young students.

 

Go ahead and stay hid so you don't have to look at anyone.

 

Send me your picture,   I'd love to see your face, or come up to Chicago.  I'm not coming down to you. I already do things publicly, you have approached me, so the burden is on you. 

 

This is how smart you are: You post at the bottom of your web page that you aren't there to raise funds, then you have a donation button that accepts just about every credit card.

 

So what?   I want people to know that the donation button is not a request for money, it is for the convenience of those who want to give.  I don't want people to feel obligated.  I wrote all that because you people never shut up about me "asking for money"  I never asked anyone for money.  I just like that to be clear.  Murray asked for money constantly.

 

Do you have a trade/profession or do you rely solely on contributions?

 

What gives you the right to ask? Are you going to make a donation?  Are you ready to become my disciple?  I've answered this question before, and you can find the answer somewhere on my website.   Go look it up yourself.  That is your assignment, go find out what I do for a living.  I'm a somewhat public person.   I'm not playing 20 questions with you.

 

If you can't meet me face to face, don't send any more emails. 

 

I can meet you, let's do it. I'm game, you really don't know me.  I may be forty-one but I still wrestle and grapple with younger men for the fun of competition and profit of body, and I'm certainly not afraid of a little debate with a harmless old fellow such as you. 

Comment:  This statement becomes a serious bone of contention for Emailer #267.  He keeps trying to intimidate me and my point is to demonstrate to him that I'm not afraid of getting into a literal scrape and I'm certainly not afraid of getting in a debate with him.  My assertion that he was "harmless"  is my way of saying I do not see him as some sort of threat to me, either physically or intellectually.  I do regard this statement as a big mistake because it took the conversation in a totally ridiculous direction.  I should not have mentioned this at all.

The location is still being negotiated. But you don't tell me when I stop sending emails.  If you don't want emails, I said it before, then stop contacting me.  I never bother someone who does not bother me.  You can stop this whenever you like.

 

Don't tell me that people quit on you because you out debated them ...

 

But they do, as you also will.

 

they left because they know you are a nut ... just as I have found out. You lose. 

 

That is some pathetic spin.  But, if anything, it seems people say I do have an insane amount of patience.  Putting up with you is sorta nuts, but I love the students of Arnold Murray, so it is not hard. Many people say they cannot believe how I patiently answer you guys all the while you guys degenerate to name calling and personal attacks.  Call it a gift.

 

Do you believe in the oneness of God? I think you believe in the trinity ... another word not used in the Bible,

 

But Arnold Murray totally believed in the Trinity!!!  ...Just kidding.  One thing I truly appreciate about you, Brad.  And I mean this in all sincerity.  We know he did not believe in the Trinity, don't we?  We know that his lip service to the Trinity was just a cover so that people would not simply switch the channel before he got them hooked.  People are so prejudiced about that man-made word.  Well, I'm not a Trinitarian, I've said so publicly many times, and unlike Pastor Murray, I stand up for the truth no matter what people might say. 

 

but I've seen you use it.

 

Yes, in the title to an article you obviously did not read.

 

Did you get baptized in the name of Jesus?

 

Well, when I got baptized by Arnold Murray in 1995 he baptized me in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, just like he always taught.    So in 2005 I got baptized again in the name of Jesus Christ, as is appropriate for a Christian.

 

Oh?  You didn't know that Murray taught that we should Baptize with the Trinitarian formula? Well, here's the proof, and if you want the rest of the context, maybe you should send the chapel a few bucks and get your own copy!

 

Arnold Murray's formula for baptism in his own words  from the tape "Baptism" Starting from about 52:40 

 

here is the clip http://oraclesofgod.org/shepherds_chapel/clips/baptismformula.mp3

 

You don't even know the guy you are defending. And you are going to slice an dice me?  Spare yourself further humiliation, stop writing me.

 

I hope you aren't going back to Mathew 28:19 in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Notice in Mathew 28:19, it says "name" singular. And when the church started, in the book of Acts, the Apostles ALWAYS baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.

 

I almost can't believe what you said!  You are a BAD STUDENT.  28 years with Arnold Murray and you don't know the baptism he baptizes with?  Wow!  Thanks for pitching me that slowball.

 

By the way, I agree with you, at least in terms of baptism, we ought to baptize in the name of Jesus, that is what the Apostles did every single time, they are more qualified than anyone to interpret Matthew 28. 

 

I bet you didn't know that, did you boy?

 

You lose your bet, but I will win mine!  I bet you didn't know that, sir, Arnold Murray baptizes with the Trinitarian formula!!  And if you did know that, why am I talking to you about it?

 

So now take you Bible to your room and study to show thyself approved, because you have shown me NOTHING.

But I did show you.  Didn't I?  That's what happens when you make presumptions.  You are "presumptuous"  Do you remember what the bible says about the presumptuous?  You are presumptuous and unafraid of speaking evil.   That is why I have you over a barrel.  You are over-confident, you go off half-cocked, and you are  just  not  ready.

 

Keep it coming, it will only get worse and worse for you... take my advice, go away now.

 

Sincerely,

 

Paul Stringini

See you soon!

Emailer's Fifth Reply:

----- Original Message -----

From:  Emailer #267

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 6:53 PM

Subject: Re: Shepherd's ChapeL

So you’re going to “burn” me with Shepherd’s Chapel. You want to post it on your wall.  And remember this: You question my authority of another man. My authority comes from God. You said you used to grabble around with younger guys, I’ve known Jiu Jitsu for 22 years. Then you should know who Mark “The Hammer” Coleman is. That was the man who trained me … a four time world champion.  You talk about Bible; Name the price. I’ve been in the Octagon many times. Give it a hard thought. You will lose again. You’ve left principles of the Bible. Now, you’re talking like a thug. And thugs are my specialty. That’s why I picked you.  Back off while you are healthy. I don’t have time for idiots. But remember this: What was that you said? “I will burn you for going against Arnold’s authority”? I got you to defend him. Thank you. I have won the debate. Thank you for defending my pastor.

Emailer #267

Comment: This person ridiculously refuses to recognize idioms except when he himself uses  them.

My Sixth Response:

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Emailer#267

Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 10:37 PM

Subject: Re: Shepherd's ChapeL

As it can be plainly seen you have basically come unhinged.  You are the thug.  Quite clearly. The point about grappling is that I'm not intimidated by you.  I'm not saying I'm going to beat you up, I'm saying I don't mind some good natured tumbling.  You are the one using all the provocative speech, taking shots at my family, abusing me and the mentally handicapped with your bad attitude. Just like before, it is ok for you to talk about slicing and dicing, but when I make reference to the fact that I'm not afraid of you, you turn my words into a threat.   You are out of your mind.   Imagine if I took your threat to "slice and dice" me and said that you threatened to cut me up with a knife.  Wouldn't you think I'd come unhinged?  People are going to see you in that light.   This last letter was barely intelligible.

 

So you’re going to “burn” me with Shepherd’s Chapel.

 

I did burn you.  You didn't even know what pastor Murray taught about baptism, and you want to debate me about his teachings?  You are not even qualified to talk about Arnold Murray's teachings.

 

You want to post it on your wall.

 

That is what I do.  I will protect your privacy, but the messages you send me are mine.  Thanks.

 

 And remember this: You question my authority of another man.

 

Get a grip.  The subject we would be debating would be the teachings of Arnold Murray,  I'm not going to St. Louis to debate the views of some unknown guy named Emailer #267.  Who cares about your views?

 

My authority comes from God.

 

That's what everybody says.  But you are not significant.  If you want me to debate YOUR views? Then start a ministry or something and I'll consider it.  I'm not going to debate some unknown guy about his unknown views.  That would truly be a waste of time.

 

You said you used to grabble around with younger guys,

 

No, I currently grapple with younger guys (and older), just for fun. I'm not even saying I'm good.  I'm just saying I'm not the kind of guy who is afraid to get his arm twisted or get stuck in a submission hold.  I'm not afraid of debating you. You accused me of cowardice, Like I'm afraid of losing to you or something.  When I tell you I grapple with younger guys, I mean that I'm not afraid of getting my butt whooped (which happens). What else would there be to fear in a debate? 

 

I’ve known Jiu Jitsu for 22 years.

 

Good for you.  I wonder if this is another one of your lies.  On the internet you can say anything you like.

 

Then you should know who Mark “The Hammer” Coleman is. That was the man who trained me … a four time world champion. 

 

I'm so impressed.  I've had my rib dislocated by a 20 year old, and tussled with a number of state qualifiers and Champions without submitting, but I don't roll with the big boys like you.

 

You talk about Bible; Name the price.

 

I can't understand this sentence. 

 

I’ve been in the Octagon many times.

 

I sensed you were a violent man.  All that toughness and you can't manage to discuss the bible over the email...  That is the challenge I've been making, and you can't seem to get it going in this "octagon"  I guess it is just to rough for you in here. 

 

Give it a hard thought. You will lose again.

 

What?  A real fight?   I never suggested such a thing.   Besides, you'd probably be carrying a razor and follow through on your threat to cut me up.

 

It makes sense that you would jump at the chance to punch me since you don't have what it takes to discuss the word with me over email in a civilized manner.

 

You’ve left principles of the Bible.

 

That is very ironic coming from a guy whose main debate tactic is name calling, intimidation, and threats.

 

Now, you’re talking like a thug.

 

No, no, that's you.  You are the thug, you actually want to fight me.  I never remotely suggested such a thing.  It's an analogy. But you don't seem to get it.  That is ok, because reasonable people will understand that I'm just standing up to a bully.

 

And thugs are my specialty.

 

No, no, that's my line. You don't seem to get how this works.  People are going to read this and they are not going to see you as this heroic thug fighter.  They are going to read what you say, then they will read what I say, and then they will want to see what you have to say about what I said, but you don't show up, time and time again, you fail to respond to so many good points I make.  And people are going to see that and figure you could not argue with me.  Period.

 

That’s why I picked you. 

 

That's why you are picking on me, you mean.  You are the guy suggesting violence, not me.

 

Back off while you are healthy.

 

The police call that kind of talk "Intimidation."  How very unchristian of you.  You would love to take a swing at me wouldn't you?  No wonder you want to meet me in some dark alley in St Louis, no wonder you talk about cutting me up.  Isn't this exactly what you said? "I'm going to slice and dice you up and send the pieces to Matt Slick?"  I think that is 100% accurate to your words. Don't you just love it when people put words in your mouth?  You do all kinds of things that are despicable, and you think you won't answer for it?  God is watching you.

 

I don’t have time for idiots.

 

Well, I do have time for idiots, because God loves idiots and they deserve our sympathy and understanding. I give idiots the same attention I give to intelligent people like you because they can't help it if they are not as smart as other people. Once again, you have demonstrated what spirit you are.

 

But remember this: What was that you said? “I will burn you for going against Arnold’s authority”?

 

Uh, no, that is not what I said.  Look, you wrote me, and said that Arnold Murray was you pastor for 28 years and you talked about his ministry as being Christ's ministry and you said he is a man of God, then after several back and forth you hit me with this baptism stuff, having no idea what I believe, and apparently having no idea what Arnold taught either. And if you did know it at that time, then you were basically saying that Arnold Murray baptizes people wrong. Your whole point in writing me was to defend Arnold Murray, why would you choose to try to debate me on a subject that you and I both disagree with Arnold Murray on.  You've lost all credibility. 

 

You are not competent.  That's why you avoid discussing the bible with me.

 

I got you to defend him.

 

You are not thinking straight.  What happened was that I got you to speak against Arnold.  I've always told the truth about Arnold Murray.  In the first paragraph you wrote me you accused me of making false accusations.  All that has happened here is that you demonstrated to people that you don't agree with Arnold either.  But you seem to give him a pass on what you say is a  false teaching.  Arnold Murray is a documented false prophet and you don't even agree with him on baptism. And you came here to tangle with me? 

Do you know how I show my love to you and others?  I give you my serious time and attention, so much that people marvel.  How would your Pastor of 28 years respond if you talked to him the way you talk to me? 

 

Thank you. I have won the debate.

 

You are not thinking straight.  What debate?  You have been refusing to debate.  People are not going to see it your way.  They will see my point.  You are not seriously a student of Arnold Murray, you are just another one of those guys who takes what he likes and ignores what he does not, but you defend Arnold in spite of the fact that you also disagree with him..  That demonstrates how corrupt you are. You are willing to defend someone you also believe teaches false doctrine.  Either that, or you didn't know, in which case you expose yourself as unknowledgeable. And that is what people are going to take from this.

 

Thank you for defending my pastor.

 

I promise you.  No one knows what you are talking about.  You are completely off the rails.

Emailer's Sixth Reply:

----- Original Message -----

From: Emailer #267

To:  Paul Stringini

Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 12:08 AM

Subject: NOW I KNOW WHO YOU ARE. YOU'RE A DAMNED NUT!!! POST THIS ON YOUR WALL ..

Comment:  Emailer Cut and pasted the following section from an exchange between a friend and myself over my decision to leave Spirit of Truth Church.  You can read that whole story and this email in context here: Why I left Spirit of Truth Church

Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 5:52 PM

Subject: Re: That is not all

"Your 30 years, you have lead many souls to righteousness, who am I to question you?"

 

That was not my intent, my intent is to show you the time that God has led my and how He as showed the fruit of it by leading people to righteousness. but out of your wisdom you hear it who am I.... This is how you hear the brethren out of  your world and not the intent of the word or how it is used.  Not one person in the church talked to me about the earth 6000 years that I said in passing, but rather spoke to me how thankful the were to see that God gave them His Spirit to make them His son's.

 

I never said you are God, but rather you are the god of your world.

 

You don't know us, and we don't know you, rather I don't know you, because you are alone in your world and you only hear you, not others or their gifts, places, callings, their struggles, mistakes and to see them grow, they grow  because they have others with their stuff and characters.  i.e. Mark M. told me you were frustrated with the worship when you played in the midst of the congregation, because they should worship from your world and if they don't they are wrong, because you are the god of your world.  you don't see beyond your world/life to see why they are that way, and then have compassion to minister in their spot.

 

you need a body of believers but i don't know if any can measure up to you world or are worthy to measure up to your standards.

 

I know the time we live and we are asleep and who can wake us but God, Mt25:1-5 I do desire to have but we lack in the ministry, Ep4:10-14, and this is God's time and it is beautiful to Him.

 

You say you don't want to argue or make a big deal out of it, yet you do or are thrown to do.  I am coming after those things that i see yet the issue appears to be something else, which can seem confusing to you.  but you do have pride that is the issue to me so i will minister to that and not to angels, math, ect.. I don't believe I can minister to you because I don't measure up to your world.

 

So I wish you well and I hope that you make it to the end.

 

mark

THIS SAYS IT ALL. YOU HAVE ISSUES EVERYWHERE YOU GO  GET SOME HELP

My Seventh Response:

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Emailer #267

Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:42 AM

Subject: Re: NOW I KNOW WHO YOU ARE. YOU'RE A DAMNED NUT!!! POST THIS ON YOUR WALL ..

My friend apologized.  And most people who read that, believe that I was wronged.  But you are entitled to your judgment.

 

It that all you can do? Copy and paste things other people said?  That is indicative of your laziness.  A couch potato Christian.  32 years a student and nothing to show for it.  All you can do is brag, brag, brag, boast, boast, boast.  But you have nothing to show for it.  All people have to to is log on to my website, and agree with me or not, you can see I've been busy.  Where's your website? I'd like to check you out.  I googled your name and handle, and you seem to have been doing nothing with your "walking bible" talent.  Maybe you buried it under your couch cushion.

Emailer's Seventh Reply:

----- Original Message -----

From: Emailer #267

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 11:05 AM

Subject: Re: NOW I KNOW WHO YOU ARE. YOU'RE A DAMNED NUT!!! POST THIS ON YOUR WALL ..

I know you are Retarded ,and I FEEL  sorry for you.They kick your whop ass out of that church,what was the one message you wrote ? When I LOOKED INTO THERE EYES IT WOULD MAKE ME JUST MELT.HHHHUUUUMMMM  ARE YOU A FAGGOT I GOT ALL THE LETTERS. now shut the hell up.you sick Bastard or I will post them all and your money will stop.one more word and I will exspose the false prophet that you are.you fat lazy LIAR dig it

----- Original Message -----

From: Emailer #267

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 11:43 AM

Subject: Re: NOW I KNOW WHO YOU ARE. YOU'RE A DAMNED NUT!!! POST THIS ON YOUR WALL ..

I'am in Church.you see I'm not afraid to go into a church.I RESPECT .YOU CREATE problems some life you have.IM retired your a lazy lard ass thats ,why you think everyone should conform too your thinking forty one years old and your to dam lazy to work.I visit different churchs.something you will never b e able to do.They kick you out of that church and you know it.like you said sooner or later it will come out.I may post all these messages so the people will know ,just what kind of trash you are.get lost.and keep using pastor Murrays study tapes.maybe just maybe that .burned out light in your head would come on.But I really doubt it.what will your students think of you? where you said in one of these messages.I just melt when I Look into these mens eyes.lol very amusing faggot..see what the drugs has done to you.you start the poor me baby every time someone doesn't agree with you.They laugh at you.your a critic of Pastor Murray.but without him,you have NOTHING  you say I PASTED THAT MESSAGE.YOUR RIGHT there was so much ass kissing from you.I wanted it all and I got it all .I GOT ALL THE MESSAGES YOU LOSE AGAIN.LIKE I said a lot of people has not seen them.But they will.now go smoke your weed LIAR!!!!  Emailer #267

My Eighth Response:

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Emailer #267

Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 2:18 PM

Subject: Re: NOW I KNOW WHO YOU ARE. YOU'RE A DAMNED NUT!!! POST THIS ON YOUR WALL ..

This is what I like to hear.  Now we've got the real you coming out.  Look at you. You've degenerated completely.  You've totally lost control.  This may be the biggest meltdown I've ever witnessed of a long term Chapel Student.

 

I know you are Retarded ,and I FEEL  sorry for you.

 

You are lying again.  And you and I and everyone knows it.  You do not feel sorry for me and you do not even think I'm retarded.  Did you honestly think I would be offended at such a childish attack?

 

They kick your whop ass out of that church,

 

You can read whatever you like into those events.  But all you are demonstrating is that you are still afraid of engaging me in a biblical discussion.  The page that you wrote me about was the Shepherd's Chapel and Arnold Murray page.  Whatever happened in Wisconsin does not impact the facts that Arnold Murray was a documented false prophet and his teachings are corruptions of the scriptures.  One thing is very clear here.  You have totally avoided talking about Arnold Murray's teachings, that proves that you either cannot or will not defend them.

 

what was the one message you wrote ? When I LOOKED INTO THERE EYES IT WOULD MAKE ME JUST MELT.HHHHUUUUMMMM  ARE YOU A FAGGOT

 

I'm not a homosexual, but I do love good men. 

 

Titus 1:8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate; 

 

And if you love someone, it can be difficult to tell them something you know they don't want to hear.

 

It is obvious that you must have latent homosexual tendencies, because you are the first person to have ever reported reading that sentence and then started thinking homosexual thoughts.  It never occurred to me that someone would take that in a homo-erotic sense.  I guess you must see homosexual suggestions in many innocent places, that is the by-product of a corrupt mind. 

 

I GOT ALL THE LETTERS.

 

Do you seriously think I'm intimidated by that?  Unlike you, I'm accustomed to doing my deeds in the light..  Didn't you realize that I'm the one who made all that public?  And don't you realize that I'm the one who will make our conversation public?  That is what is going to happen, it is not a threat, it is what happens next.

 

now shut the hell up.you sick Bastard or I will post them all and your money will stop.

 

Do you seriously think that if people were sending me money, they would stop after reading what you have been writing? You would be more likely to have the opposite effect. 

 

Please,  post the letters, and make sure you include your name when you do that.  That way will feel it is fair when I post these without censoring your name on my website.  Would you like me to do that?

 

Please tell me you would like your name included.  Don't you want everyone to know who took me down?

 

one more word and I will exspose the false prophet that you are.

 

Word.  But I thought you came to defend Arnold Murray.  But perhaps he is not worth defending.  Who wants to defend a false teacher?

 

Expose me?  You are bluffing.  The only prophecy I ever made was that Arnold Murray would die and never see his false visions come to pass.  I said he would not enter the tribulation he was falsely proclaiming was already here.  That prophecy came to pass.  Arnold is dead and we still are not in the end times yet. 

 

"This is my prophecy concerning him: he shall die, and not see any of his predictions come to pass;  his false vision of the Millennium shall not be taught in it;  his perverted resurrection does not stand; his false doctrine of where the dead are is not found;  his works shall be burned with fire, and nothing shall remain."
 

you fat 

 

Nonsense, I'm not fat. I was overweight a few years ago. But the Lord helped me overcome that sin too and now I'm 6'3" and 210 lbs.  That is not fat, especially with my build.   So you struck out again.  You keep swinging wild like that and you are bound to strike out.

 

lazy

 

I'll ask my wife if she thinks I'm lazy.   Maybe when she stops laughing, I'll get an answer.

 

LIAR

 

I'm a somewhat public person.   So it is not hard for people to check on the things I say.   You make up stuff, and who knows, there is nothing.  You are just some unknown guy making a bunch of wild claims that you cannot substantiate with proof. 

 

dig it

Your slang is not meaningful to me.

 

 

I'am in Church.you see I'm not afraid to go into a church.

 

Do you think it takes a lot of bravery to go into a church?  Wow, no wonder you have a super-inflated self-image.  You walk into church and think you have done a brave deed.

 

I RESPECT .

 

That a very ironic thing for you to say.  You are an extremely disrespectful person, all the evidence is in our conversation. You respect false teachers and false doctrine, no problem there, and also you are a respecter of persons, of course this is exactly the opposite of what the bible teaches. That is why I do not respect you.  I'm not surprised you would have all that upside down.  Your whole mentality is corrupt.

 

YOU CREATE problems some life you have.

 

I think you have the "shoot the messenger" mentality.  "Hang the guy who points out the problem." 

 

IM retired

 

I will never retire.  Why should I stop working when I'm not dead?  The only work you ever did was to feed your own belly. 

 

your a lazy lard ass

 

That's simply not true.  I think you had better stop thinking of my ass before your latent homosexual tendencies surface again.

 

thats ,why you think everyone should conform too your thinking

 

That sentence is not really decipherable.  The cause and effect relationships seem to be completely disjointed.  Honestly, you type like you have been drinking again.  I'm fat, and lazy,  and that is why I think everyone should think like me.  It doesn't make any sense.

 

forty one years old and your to dam lazy to work.

 

Nonsense.  I work harder and longer than you ever did, since I generally work nearly every waking hour and you've spent 28 years after work on the couch watching Arnold Murray work.  And you are manifestly too lazy to even type a few words defending the teachings of Arnold Murray.  Show me your works.  I got mine on display.  And that is not even the half of it.

 

I visit different churchs.something you will never b e able to do.

 

What? I generally decline invitations to church.  I've never been told not to come to any.  When I walk into church, sometimes people hand me money.  Has that ever happened to you? 

 

They kick you out of that church and you know it.

 

I've never been kicked out of any church.  But you are free to fantasize about whatever subject pleases you from your retirement, I guess you have nothing better to do than get lost in your imaginations.

 

like you said sooner or later it will come out.

 

Yeah, I was the one who brought it out. 

 

I may post all these messages so the people will know ,just what kind of trash you are.

 

I WILL post all these messages.  Not may.  I absolutely will.  I post them all, not always right away, but eventually.  Maybe I'll put you on the fast track, Like I did this guy: http://oraclesofgod.org/emails/email200.htm He didn't believe our exchange would get posted either.  I'll make a believer out of you.

 

But do you seriously think I'm the one getting trashed here?  You are mistaken.  You don't back up what you say.  You don't respond to my points.  You are the one getting trashed.

 

get lost.

 

That is what you are going to do.  You came to me.  Remember that.  You approached me.  So you can leave whenever you've had enough.  And I'll shut you off if I take a liking to the idea.

 

and keep using pastor Murrays study tapes.maybe just maybe that .burned out light in your head would come on.

 

I'm not going to return to my vomit like that.

 

But I really doubt it.

 

You are correct.

 

what will your students think of you? where you said in one of these messages.I just melt when I Look into these mens eyes.lol very amusing faggot..

 

My students may not have your homosexual tendencies, so they may not read that into my words.  In either case they will understand what I meant.

 

see what the drugs has done to you.

 

Another low-blow from some unknown guy raving and ranting at me but unable to defend Arnold Murray's teachings.

 

you start the poor me baby every time someone doesn't agree with you.

 

"poor me baby"  You parrot Arnold Murray, but I think you just wanted to call me a "poor me baby."   Because I don't do any such thing.  This is nonsense.

 

They laugh at you.

 

My skin is thick enough to endure the laughter of fools.  But you are they guy who thinks it is an act of bravery to walk into a church, so I guess you WOULD think that having people laugh at you would be really, really, really tough stuff.

 

your a critic of Pastor Murray.but without him,you have NOTHING  

 

That is not true, but let's pretend it is true. Does that prove Arnold Murray's teachings are true?    It is like saying that Jesus would be nothing without the Pharisees.  Or that without the Rapture,  Arnold Murray would be nothing.  It's the same logic, it makes no sense.  The gifts of God make room for themselves.  I have my music.  And I have my own gift of teaching.  I'm a gifted writer.  Arnold Murray is not responsible for any of my gifts.  If not for Arnold Murray I would have more time for other things, that is all. I would have plenty with which I would build my ministry.  If Arnold Murray injected himself into my life by putting himself on TV, why blame me for it?  He's a false teacher, and I'm not letting him get away with it.  And that is what makes you rage.

 

you say I PASTED THAT MESSAGE.YOUR RIGHT there was so much ass kissing from you.I wanted it all and I got it all .

 

Did you think the messages were going somewhere?  I put the messages up because I wanted people to read them.  It is a very small thing for me to have a thug like you come along and try to rub my face in it.  I don't respect you in the very least so your opinion has no significance to me.  And I'm not ashamed of my conduct in leaving Spirit of Truth Church.  I feel that I conducted myself according to the scriptures.  People are free to disagree. 

Comment: I could have reminded him that his statements again have a very homo-erotic edge to them. He got all the ass-kissing he was looking for?

 

I GOT ALL THE MESSAGES YOU LOSE AGAIN.

 

You are deluded.  I'm the one with a webpage that has thousands of visitors a month.  People are going to see this on MY webpage.  You don't even have a webpage, and you are too lazy to start one.  You won't follow through.  I would be truly impressed if you did.  But you are just a big talker.

As of 1/7/2016 he still has no web presence.

 

LIKE I said a lot of people has not seen them. But they will.

 

I hope you sober up before you write again.  Your grammar is getting awful.

 

now go smoke your weed

 

I'm not taking orders from you. I told you, Enemy. You go.

 

LIAR!!!!  Emaler #267!

 

Before you were signing off "The Walking Bible  Emailer #267"  But now I think this is more accurate "Liar Emailer #267"  Is just a much more fitting title for you.

 

This is the fruit of 28 years of Arnold Murray's ministry.  Take a good look folks.

 

 

Emailer's Eighth Reply:

----- Original Message -----

From: Emailer #267

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 3:29 PM

Subject: Re: NOW I KNOW WHO YOU ARE. YOU'RE A DAMNED NUT!!! POST THIS ON YOUR WALL ..

Idiot do you,really think that I would use my real name? That shows me how smart you are.the last time I debated you,I wore a green mask.and right on your web..see what,I mean . ? Yep I REALLY BELIEVE YOUR a sodomite,you made a fool out of YOURSELF by saying when,I look into there eyes ,I JUST MELT.lol.just keep teaching,pastor Murrays tapes.and you have the truth.you live from the man that your so jealous of .Dig it,you didn't know,I was a Brother did you,not yours,but afro american .you will never know,who I'AM ,WE DONT CARE FOR GREASERS,OR SODOMITES like you..You knew it thats why you wont show,in St LOUIS  I really like Pastor Murray he taught we were not a curse from ham,like you do.your a money comes by Pastor Murrays teaching..A Brother that dont like False prophets.or homosexuals like you .live with it you lose again.please no messages with your cry foul,Because you deserve it.DOB

----- Original Message -----

From: Emailer #267

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 3:45 PM

Subject: Re: NOW I KNOW WHO YOU ARE. YOU'RE A DAMNED NUT!!! POST THIS ON YOUR WALL ..

What ever happened in wisconsin.I read what happened that booted you too the street,your the meltdown,and a dope smoker.you wanted position in that Church ,you think they would put a unlearned teacher,your pride cost you again.you lost there also right.Thats why your on this low class google web that any twelve year old can get on.you and Matt Slick are dumb as a box of rocks!!!!!And you live on a Dead mans name,examine yourself.Im on your web site lets see if your smart enough to see who,I'AM

My Ninth Response: 

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Strinigni

To: Emailer #267

Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:01 PM

Subject: Re: NOW I KNOW WHO YOU ARE. YOU'RE A DAMNED NUT!!! POST THIS ON YOUR WALL ..

Idiot do you,really think that I would use my real name?

 

No I didn't think you'd use your real name, that's why I was taunting you to do it.  I do everything under my real name.

 

That shows me how smart you are.

 

I make it a personal habit to avoid degrading another man because of his intellect.  People can't help it if they are not very smart. 

 

the last time I debated you,I wore a green mask.and right on your web..see what,I mean . ?

 

No, That is not an intelligible statement.

 

Yep I REALLY BELIEVE YOUR a sodomite,

 

You believe all kinds of lies, so I'm not really concerned. 

 

you made a fool out of YOURSELF by saying when,I look into there eyes ,I JUST MELT.lol.

 

Always glad to brighten someone's day.  But your laughter is a cover.  My work goes on.  You haven't accomplished anything. 

 

But no wonder you believe Adam and Eve had sex with the serpent.  You can read sex into any situation. 

 

just keep teaching,pastor Murrays tapes.and you have the truth.

 

I don't teach from his tapes, I use his tapes to expose his fraud.

 

you live from the man that your so jealous of .

 

I don't live off Arnold Murray. I already addressed that.

 

Dig it,you didn't know,I was a Brother did you,not yours,but afro american .

 

Should I have known that?  Do you think I care who your ancestors were?

 

you will never know,who I'AM ,WE DONT CARE FOR GREASERS,OR SODOMITES like you..

 

You don't speak for your race.

 

You knew it thats why you wont show,in St LOUIS 

 

You won't even show here, and it isn't because you're black, it's 'cause you're yellow.

 

I really like Pastor Murray he taught we were not a curse from ham,like you do.

 

I don't teach that.  Take your hang-ups to someone who cares.

 

your a money comes by Pastor Murrays teaching..

 

"My money" (as if I had lots of it or something) comes from work that has nothing to do with Pastor Murray. 

 

A Brother that dont like False prophets.or homosexuals like you .

 

I don't even believe you, you lie so often, who can?

 

live with it you lose again.please no messages with your cry foul,Because you deserve it.DOB

 

If you don't want to hear from me, you can just stop sending me messages, that is how it goes.  Unless I decide I'm done with you.

Emailer's Ninth Reply:

---- Original Message -----

From: Emailer #267

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 5:08 PM

Subject: Re: NOW I KNOW WHO YOU ARE. YOU'RE A DAMNED NUT!!! POST THIS ON YOUR WALL ..

Taunting me lol I would teach you some manners if we meet .you need someone to give you a good ass whipping,to take that pride out of you .You and MATT  SLICK ARE MY ENEMIES.I WILL BREAK YOU BOTH.YOUR BOTH ENEMIES OF THE CROSS..YOU BOTH HURT.THE BABES IN CHRIST .thats why ,I dont like you two..you have a ,Beautiful family,But by teaching hate,thats what the young ,kids you have will remember.Do you want them too go through the hurt,that you and I BOTH HAVE ENDURED..I know you dont.Im not going to cause hurt by posting,your experience...thats only between you and them.and thats your past,being,an ex mma fighter ,has left my past with people not thinking,well of me..I ONLY WISH  THE BASHING OF ALL OTHER churchs would end..I know being black we were not born with hate,,and eats me up when I SEE WHATS SUPPOSE TO BE CHRISTIANS NOTHING BUT HATE.its wrong and,you know it

Editorial Comment: After this message this Emailer sent me a series of three of his "Study Sheets." One on Pathological Liars, another on the Judging of Pastors, and the third on Hate Speech. That last one was quite ironic.  I am not reprinting his study guides, he can start his own webpage if he wants to promote his personal study tools.

My Tenth Response: 

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Emailer #267

Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:13 PM

Subject: Re: NOW I KNOW WHO YOU ARE. YOU'RE A DAMNED NUT!!! POST THIS ON YOUR WALL ..

Good evening,

 

What ever happened in wisconsin.I read what happened that booted you too the street,your the meltdown,

 

It is a very small thing for me to be judged by you.  I am content to abide by the judgment of God.

 

and a dope smoker.

 

I have not touched dope in over ten years.  God is my witness. 

 

you wanted position in that Church ,

 

No, I had a position in that church.  All I ever cared to have, and perhaps more.  I could sing whenever I wanted. Preach if I wanted.  I ran the church website.  I walked away, and that's what really happened. And by the way, no one knew at the time besides the pastor and the minister of music why I left,  I only posted that stuff years later. 

 

you think they would put a unlearned teacher,

 

I also led bible studies in the church and posted them to the church website (but I removed them when I decided it was time to leave).  I also wrote articles on the church website and blog.  I walked away from all that and if I did anything wrong it was leaving them without helping teach someone to do what I had been doing. 

 

your pride cost you again. you lost there also right.

 

God knows how proud I am.

 

Thats why your on this low class google web that any twelve year old can get on.

 

I'm not sure what you are talking about, I don't really know what "google web" is. I know that Google lists my website, but I'm not on any "google web"  that I know of.  But I sure don't know everything.

 

you and Matt Slick are dumb as a box of rocks!!!!!

 

As you please.

 

And you live on a Dead mans name,examine yourself.

 

No, no,  Dennis Murray is living on a dead man's name.  As I told you before, I don't get many donations.  Certainly nowhere near enough to live off of.  We are talking about hundreds of dollars a year. Not thousands.  So relax about the money.  I don't do this for money.  I do it because Arnold Murray was my teacher when I was young and I came to believe he was a false teacher and so my conscience leads me to fight that which I once supported.  That's the whole story, live with it.  Call me deluded, call me a fool, but that's the truth.

 

Im on your web site lets see if your smart enough to see who,I'AM

I don't care who you are, I don't mean that as an insult or anything.  I don't respect men's persons.  I had to google your mma trainer, I don't pay attention to that stuff, I have no time for it.  I fire letters off  and then it's back to editing audio,  maybe I get another letter, then it's jump in the car to go fix a computer for somebody.  Time to help the kids with their school, time to take the boys to freestyle, time to get back on the computer and finish that video editing.  Gotta fix the car.  Gotta go go go.  I have no time to watch the world, so even if you are somebody to everyone else, you are nobody to me.  That's not meant as an insult or anything.  You are just another faceless name firing words at me.

 

Taunting me lol I would teach you some manners if we meet .

 

You wouldn't need to, I'm always very polite, even to skinny people who are not ex-mma, but I still might gently "taunt" you in a debate even if you were the current mma champion.  Don't take the word "taunt" so serious, taunt, provoke, dare,  take your pick.  I'd  say I've been a lot more well mannered than you, but this has been pretty dirty.  And the fact is that I put my name and face up there.  I'm not afraid of men.  It's not because I think I'm tough, (though you would not find me weak), it's because I trust God.

 

you need someone to give you a good ass whipping,to take that pride out of you .

 

If you wanted to wrestle me I'd do it for fun, but I can't take any punches, (or throw any because my rotator cuffs are trashed) I can't afford to have another concussion.  I have no killer instinct in a fight these days, I'm usually trying to avoid getting injured.  It's one of the reasons I'm not a very good grappler, but I still get in there. 

 

You and MATT  SLICK ARE MY ENEMIES.I WILL BREAK YOU BOTH.

 

I can't speak for Slick, but you won't break me, not in the way I know you mean. You might make me submit in a fight, but I wouldn't be ashamed of that.

 

YOUR BOTH ENEMIES OF THE CROSS..

 

Arnold Murray is not the cross, and he teaches a perverse form of Christianity, I know you disagree, but that is the way it is.  Turning people away from the false teachings of Arnold Murray is not the same as turning them away from Christ. 

 

YOU BOTH HURT.THE BABES IN CHRIST .thats why ,I dont like you two..

 

I don't speak for Matt Slick, cause it's obvious he turned his baby away from Christ, but I'm not like that guy in many ways. I seriously disagree and it's too bad you are probably too prejudiced to even give one of my audio studies a listen, you might be surprised.

 

Believe it or not Murray's teachings hurt a lot of people, I get their letters, and as far as I'm concerned you are a prime example of the kind of bad effect his teachings can have on someone.  I get a little ticked off, and then I start thinking about it and I just feel bad that this is how it turned out for you.

 

You came out to defend him, and you are swearing and calling me names, you talk about wanting to fight me physically.  That's not how you do it.  You are supposed to make me do all that while you keep cool. 

 

you have a ,Beautiful family,

 

Thanks for saying that, you almost "melt" me right there.  (which means that you make me feel like I shouldn't be so cold and hard on you,  and that's what that means, I'd look at them and see how they loved me, and I did not want to be the ice mountain anymore... that is my reputation, cold and hard, I think I'm more than that, but that is what some people think I'm like, and there is truth in that, no doubt... but I'm not just some cold hard stone-man, and I'm not afraid to say I can look into another man's eyes and lose my will to be that way, because I can see how they love me) 

 

But by teaching hate,thats what the young ,kids you have will remember.

 

What do you think I do with my kids?  Make them read my webpage?  They don't even know who Pastor Murray is.  They would only recognize him as the guy in my wedding video.  If you actually listened to one of my regular bible studies, for example Isaiah 12,  you'd see that I teach a positive message. http://oraclesofgod.org/studies/23_Isaiah/23_Isaiah_Chapter_12.mp3 

 

I don't teach hate. Look, I don't hate Murray.  Maybe you feel it seems that way, and I'll agree that I like him less and less as time goes on.  I tell you though,  I sure didn't start out like that, that's for sure, but the way most of you guys have handled me since I started this in 2007 has definitely hardened me against him, and not just doctrinally. 

 

You all are supposed to be the elect and you all are supposed to have the truth, but no one ever came along who could patiently straighten me out, instead I get accused of all kinds of irrelevant stuff,  because no one can deal with me, so you all just trash me.  I'm not crying about it, I'm just telling you guys straight. You guys trash me because you can't deal with me any other way. You want to talk about love?  What have you been up to? 

 

And you would probably say I trash Murray.  Maybe I do, but I'm talking about his teaching.  You can trash me, fine, good work on that one.  But that does not get Murray out of the trash bin.  If you get my meaning.  I'm sure it is a bit gratifying to tell me off, but you are just satisfying yourself.  You aren't helping anyone like that, not me, and not any young students on the fence.

 

Do you want them too go through the hurt,that you and I BOTH HAVE ENDURED..I know you dont.

 

Of course not,  no parent wants their kids to go through the pain they went through.

 

Im not going to cause hurt by posting,your experience...thats only between you and them.and thats your past,

 

My past is already up there and I'm not really worried about what people think about me, even my kids.  I'm a lot less proud than you might think.  If anyone cared to dig on my website they would find all kinds of dirt on me.  Because I'm open about what I've been through. 

 

 I used to smoke a lot of dope, yep, and  I used to masturbate 3-4 times a day, I've said that in open church. Mock me, laugh, see if I care.  I'm not proud of that, and I'm not afraid of any man's judgment either, because God saw me then, every moment, every step, and I gotta answer to him not men.  If I'm afraid of men more than God then I'd consider myself a true coward. 

 

I tell my kids about my past so they can avoid the things that snared me.  I don't care what you or anyone says about me or posts on the internet.   

 

being,an ex mma fighter ,has left my past with people not thinking,well of me..

 

Well,  as someone who enjoys a good scrape, I don't count it against you.  Some people don't get that.

 

 I ONLY WISH  THE BASHING OF ALL OTHER churchs would end..

 

It has to be, and you ought to rejoice.  If you really believe in your church then rejoice. 

 

11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.
Remember

Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

 

If you really believe in what you believe in you have to take it in stride. Keep it in perspective.  The truth is not going to please everyone.  Isn't that also part of God's plan?  If I'm blind, who blinded me?

 

I know being black we were not born with hate,

 

Sure, people have to learn to hate.  That gives us hope for the future.  Things can get better.

 

,and eats me up when I SEE WHATS SUPPOSE TO BE CHRISTIANS NOTHING BUT HATE.its wrong and,you know it

Sometimes you gotta hate the evil or you just don't really love the Good. You hate what I'm doing don't you?  I'm going to figure you don't really hate me personally.  Of course not. You just hate what I'm doing, it really ticks you off.  I give you that.  Well, I feel the same about Murray, and you don't see it like I do. Well, I'll pray for you, and you can pray for me, and perhaps the Lord will show the blind man the error of his ways.

 

I'll look at your study guides later or tomorrow or something.  I'm behind because of this.  I'll give them a serious look because unlike some other people, I think you are worth my time.  Whether you hear me or not.

 

Sincerely,

Paul Stringini

 

 Editorial Comment: I did give the study sheets a serious look but I did not find them relevant. 

Emailer's Tenth Reply:

----- Original Message -----

From: Emailer #267

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 10:19 PM

Subject: Re: NOW I KNOW WHO YOU ARE. YOU'RE A DAMNED NUT!!! POST THIS ON YOUR WALL ..

Your still my brother in Christ, We both are a little hot headed. Your a great loving family. and I respect that..your blessed too have them. Be happy my Brother in CHRIST. God bless you ,and all your family. Emailer #267

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