----- Original Message -----

From: Name Withheld

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 4:58 PM

Subject: Enlightened

Is it the chicken or the egg?  Is it a mistake or judgement? This is not a question of what comes first but what is more important.  To build a site based upon judgement of one or to build a ministry that teaches the word of god to the best of ones ability.  If by chance you put pastor Arnold so high up on a pedestal that you took his words as divine intervention forgetting that no man that is no man is perfect and without sin I apologize for even writing this email.  You can take a thousand people and read them one verse of the bible and ask them to explain what it meant and you will get many different answers.  So of course as he is suppose to Arnold has made some mistakes.  But one thing I will tell you is that millions of Christians are out there due to his teachings and will one day see heaven.  They will not be set aside because they accepted Jesus christ as there savior because they heard it from Arnold.  So ask yourself this doesn't the bible say not to judge and leave that up to god?  What are you going to accomplish with doing this? Get people that found Christ through Arnold to think he lied to them therefore doubting their belief and fall away?  What are you doing?  This life is not about write or wrong it's about belief and of course a good understanding is what you want but do you really believe god will not allow someone into heaven for getting a 95% on there bible study test?  I am sure you are a great person with a very knowledgeable understanding of the bible but please for the sake of souls go back to the basics and don't be the judger of man and try to love everyone as much as you can.  The best thing you can do son is take down your website and start your own ministry on its own and I promise as another site pops up saying that you have been a false prophet and are a liar and nit pick your teachings as if they were god picking on every mistake you made I promise I will send an email just like this one to them.  Keep souls safe with Jesus it's hard enough in this life without having doubt put into your mind on a couple small points.  I really wish you the best of luck and hope you don't take this as anything more than it is.  If I see your website come down I will know you understand where I am coming from and who I am. 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Name Withheld

Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 2:09 PM

Subject: Unenlightened

Hi, thanks for your concern.

 

doesn't the bible say not to judge and leave that up to god? 

 

I do leave the judgment to God, God has already judged many things and the judgment of God is sure.  As for false teachers, you shall know them by their fruit.  I have not condemned Arnold Murray, but if he does not repent, he is already condemned, not by me, but by God.  And if I am wrong then I am willing to submit myself to the judgment of God concerning that.  You have mistaken the idea of hearkening to God's judgment, with sitting as judges ourselves. I don't make up the rules.  I don't judge men's souls, intentions, or motivations,  nor even what is right or wrong, I look at what they do, and I am educated to the point that I know a crabapple from a Golden delicious, and Arnold Murray's teachings are crabapples, that is not judging him, I look at his teaching, I look at his ministry, I look at what he does, and then I measure that against what God has already said, that is what we all must do, that is even what you have done to me you are measuring and judging what I am doing based on what you think you know.

 

Jesus actually commanded us to "judge righteous judgment" (John 7:24 )

 

He did not say "Judge not," not nakedly like that. 

 

Jesus  said, "judge not that ye be not judged for with what judgment you judge you shall be judged."

 

Which means that I will be judged according to the judgment I have judged others with. So if I wish to avoid being judged according to the judgment I pronounce, then I should not judge others that way.  But I cannot stop the judgment of God, the judgment of God is absolute.  I am not the one who says that false teachers are condemned, as a man I am not comfortable with that because  I have taught false things to other people, through faith in Christ I receive forgiveness for doing that, but as Jesus taught.

 

"The whole need not a physician."

 

Did it ever strike you as odd that Jesus was so angry with certain people and used such vitriolic terms against them?  These were the scribes and Pharisee's chiefly, but the term applies to anyone who does not believe that what they are doing is a sin.  They say, "I don't need Jesus forgiveness, I am not doing anything wrong."  That is why I spend time speaking against Arnold Murray's work.  So that the sick may recover. 

 

If we don't need Jesus, then he won't do anything for us. 

 

But it is impossible to go through life without judging things, you judged me when you wrote to me, you judged that I should not be doing what I am doing, in this respect you are a hypocrite, because if you think I should not rebuke Murray then you have no business rebuking me.  I am willing to submit myself to the judgment of God, I rebuke others and I accept rebuke, even if I do not agree, so I do not hold you guilty, but by your own judgment you are doing something wrong, and I think you know that, that is probably why you took an apologetic tone. (I was being generous)

 

What you are saying is that I should basically ignore the fact that there is a practicing child molester in my neighborhood.  Arnold Murray's heresies are many and hurtful.  He causes people to believe in  a doctrine that is not of Christ.  Belief is not, just "believe in anything spelled J E S U S"  our faith is supposed to be specifically directed at the man Jesus Christ,  and the only way we know Jesus is by the doctrine we believe of him which we received from his apostles.

 

1 Ti 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

 

Doctrine is important, people who place their faith in Christ are placing their faith in a doctrine, a teaching, you have to have some idea of what Christ is in order to believe in him.  It is not just having faith in "faith," like some corn-ball Disney flick.  Heresy is not just a word that has fallen out of fashion, heresy will cause men to fail to inherit the kingdom of God.

 

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past,

 

that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

I can tell by the manner and content of your speech that you have been influenced by modern misconceptions about Jesus Christ and what he stood for and taught.  They have instead substituted their own impressions of what is kind and nice, and assumed that Jesus must be a man of  similar thoughts and sentiments as they are.

 

Lev 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

 

It is not loving or kind to allow someone to continue to do hurtful things to themselves and to others.  Maybe you think there is no harm here, but I know different.  People come to me who have been mistreated by Arnold Murray and been mistreated by his followers.  God has called me to oppose Arnold Murray, Just who are you to tell me that I should not?  Think about it...

 

Getting along and being nice to people is not what Christianity is all about.  It is not about letting bullies like Arnold Murray walk all over little people unopposed.  That is cowardice.  It is unmanly and unvirtuous.  Jesus stood up against men like Arnold Murray and died for it.

 

 What are you going to accomplish with doing this?

 

Have you read all the letters on my webpage?  The thanks?  The Sorrow?  Arnold Murray and his followers hurt people. Read the letters on my page about the out-of-control family members under the influence of his doctrine.  He makes many mean and nasty disciples.

 

Get people that found Christ through Arnold to think he lied to them therefore doubting their belief and fall away? 

 

I would gladly have them fall away from Murray, and if doubting Murray makes them doubt their faith then their faith was not in Christ in the first place but in a Murray. That is obvious.

 

What are you doing?  This life is not about write or wrong it's about belief and of course a good understanding is what you want

 

Right and wrong is very much what it is about, I can't believe you said that.

 

31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

 

To be truly free is to be free from sin and to abide forever with God, Those that serve sin shall not abide forever.

 

Faith is in Christ, That is right.  Where do you draw the line?  Just how much wrong is acceptable to you? How much leaven is allowed in an unleavened loaf?

 

but do you really believe god will not allow someone into heaven for getting a 95% on there bible study test? 

 

First of all I do not believe in "going to heaven"  I believe in the resurrection of the dead and eternal life in the kingdom of God. 

 

2 Tim 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; AND ARNOLD MURRAY
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

But ignoring that fact.... Rejected for 95% on a bible study test? Not at all, that is more like what Arnold Murray is like, he even gives tests to his students: "Biblical literacy."    He teaches strange doctrines and a strange Christ.  I teach a simple form of Christianity, according to the gospel I preach you don't have to know a lot of strange doctrines or be a "bible scholar" like all his students have been duped into thinking they are.  We must become like him, We grow up into Christ by faith, in faith and through faith in his teachings.  But Arnold basically denies those teachings, so he is not a Christian so far as I have ever seen.

 

Tit 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

 

You don't have to pass some bible study test, but you must become like Christ to enter into the kingdom.  If some man teaches any other doctrine....

 

1Tim1:3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus...that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

The best thing you can do son is take down your website and start your own ministry on its own

 

I already have my own ministry, actually I had a ministry for over ten years before I started telling people what I knew about Murray, two other ministries actually

music

http://oraclesofgod.org/

and teaching

http://oraclesofgod.org/studies/studies.html

 

The best thing you can do to become one of my students.

 

and I promise as another site pops up saying that you have been a false prophet and are a liar and nit pick your teachings as if they were god picking on every mistake you made I promise I will send an email just like this one to them

 

You are guilty of the same thing, so that makes you a hypocrite, you are the one who is playing God.  God TOLD me to do what I'm doing. 

 

Rom 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

Who told you that what I was doing is wrong, you hypocrite?  You judged that for yourself.  I am obeying what GOD judged was right, and you are a hypocrite who does the very thing that you yourself judge is wrong.

 

Keep souls safe with Jesus it's hard enough in this life without having doubt put into your mind on a couple small points. 

 

Where exactly is your faith?  And Arnold Murray's doctrine is not just a matter of a few small points.

 

I really wish you the best of luck and hope you don't take this as anything more than it is. 

 

More than what it is?  This is just some ignorant hypocrite sending me another one of these ignorant, "Stop picking on widdle ol' Arnold," letters.  You make me sick.  You are a busybody who counsels cowardice..

 

 If I see your website come down I will know you understand where I am coming from and who I am. 

Not going to happen Name Withheld.  I know your voice, it is the voice of the devil.  Don't condescend with me.

 

Sincerely,

Paul Stringini

----- Original Message -----

From: Name Withheld

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 3:10 PM

Subject: Re: Unenlightened

 I now understand you better with all the slander and name calling you have sent back to me.  It took me back to grade school so thanks for the chuckle.  Your email really deserves no response but I now just feel sorry for you.  You are a very troubled individual to act this way. I feel that somehow with all your statements and remarks minus the name calling you think you have it figured out and have it together.  Your response has stated otherwise.  And I will not lower myself to name call and that would be all the correspondence we need.  Take care and best of luck

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----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Name Withheld

Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 4:10 PM

Subject: Re: Unenlightened

You say I think I have it all figured out.  Reading my mind, judging me, while telling me not to judge others.  Calling me names and insulting me while telling me to stop calling names and insulting others.  Just like a hypocrite.  This is another example of the hypocrisy of self-appointed advice givers such as yourself.  I get letters like yours every now and then, so far only one has repented and saw the hypocrisy of their actions and words, I have a lot of respect for that lady. 

You wrote me to share with me all your advice and wisdom, but really you have nothing to say, nothing to add, except to tell me cease and desist and call me names. That is right.  You started the insults by calling me "son" (I am the father of 7 children, I'm nearly 40, and I have taught the bible for nearly 20 years). I don't mind you being a snot and calling me "son," but don't be a hypocrite and try to act like you are all high and holy with me!

And now this reference to "grade school."  Another insult from you. And you get up on your moral high horse and try to look down on me, because you are the one who thinks you have it all figured out, it comes out in your condescending tone and "holier than thou" attitude, I know I don't have it all figured out, but you are just a plain old hypocrite.  It ain't a dirty word!  It can't be, because Jesus used it a whole lot.  Own it. You keep doing it.  You are the one who says it is wrong and then goes and does it anyway. 

How about growing up a little and owning up to our faults?  How about stopping acting like a holier-than-thou hypocrite looking down on us all from your morally "enlightened" position.  How obvious could it be, you even made the subject of the email a sign of your arrogant hypocrisy. "Enlightened"

Unfortunately for you, your sense of right and wrong has not gone beyond elementary school ethics.  If you can't recognize hypocrisy within yourself...  

 

Sincerely,

Paul Stringini

 

P.S. You don't know what slander is, but I'll leave that one to you to figure out.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Name Withheld

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 4:18 PM

Subject: Re: Unenlightened

No more response is needed you obviously have it all figured out and are never wrong. You are just going to keep going on and on and on and on. There is nothing more we need to say to each other it is pointless. You would need to be in public with a non bias audience to listen to any of your debates and then get an honest response to what the majority of people would have to say about your tyrants. Until that day you will never get or hear anything you don't want to so any more email correspondence is pointless and I will not respond to someone who does not understand. I mean you feel judged by the first email and have been attacking me ever since. I did not judge you I asked what are you trying to accomplish and stated the things you are doing. I will just stop its pointless to try to conversate with you anyway I am well aware of this.


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----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Name Withheld

Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 12:58 PM

Subject: Re: Unenlightened

Again, you are telling me to shut up, but you won't shut up yourself, If no further response is needed, then why did you respond?  Why do you have to tell me that no response is needed?  Don't tell me what I need to do, or ought to do, unless you are willing to take your own sage advice!  

 

I am only replying to someone who keeps contacting me. Don't tell me what is necessary, I can judge that for myself. I never pester people who do not contact me. Ever.  If you think nothing more needs to be said then stop sending me messages down from your high-horse and quietly go away.  You contacted me.  That was your doing.  I was done with you after the first message.  You want it to end?  Then stop writing to me.  I don't want it to end, I want to help you, but if you can't see how hypocritical you are, then what can I do?  Go away and I will let you go.  Come back, and I will come back at you. 

 

I mean you feel judged by the first email and have been attacking me ever since. I did not judge you I asked what are you trying to accomplish and stated the things you are doing.

 

Attacking you?  I'm just holding up a mirror to you.  I'm just reflecting back at you your attack on me and my webpage and if you look at my first response I was quite gentle about it and carefully explained myself.  You have attacked me from the first. Let me explain... Your whole message was an attack and if you are to pompous and blind to see that then I don't know what to tell you.  You told me to trash 7 years of work, based on YOUR judgment, you judged my work to be evil, if not evil, then why take it down?  Just because you don't use nasty language does not mean that what you say has any love in it.

 

You seem to think that if you couch the attack with nice little phrases and soft speech that it somehow makes it not an attack.  Whether hot lead or lethal gas, the violence of the assault makes no difference.  You told me to take my website down, that means that you JUDGED my work of SEVEN YEARS to be worthy of DESTRUCTION.  If that is not an ATTACK then what is?  You wanted to kill my site, whether you did it nicely by lethal injection or violently with a hammer, what is the difference?  There is no real difference, you still wanted to destroy my work with your words.

 

"The best thing you can do son is take down your website "

 

All the other words in you initial email were leading up to this point, they all lent their aid and strength to this one point of persuasion.  You were trying to persuade me that what I was doing was WRONG. You were essentially (and I know you will deny this)  trying to convict me of SIN.  You may not want to use that word, but that is exactly what it is.  Because if it isn't sin, they why stop?   Whatever is not of faith is sin.  Has it ever occurred to you, you hypocrite, that that is exactly the same thing I am trying to do with Arnold Murray?  Trying to persuade him to stop what he is doing and to persuade others to stop studying with him? You have no idea what that guy is like and you probably know precious little about what he teaches, I have to believe that because otherwise you would be worse than a hypocrite.

 

How have I attacked you?  What have I tried to destroy of your works?  All I did was point out the hypocrisy of your message.  And it it hypocritical. 

 

You would need to be in public with a non bias audience to listen to any of your debates and then get an honest response to what the majority of people would have to say about your tyrants.

 

Do you really think I care what the majority of people think?  The majority of people are on the path to destruction.  I am only interested in the few that would hear me.  It is not a tirade, it is an earnest expression.  These are only words, you hear a tirade because your conscience is pricked, the words bite.

 

Until that day you will never get or hear anything you don't want to so any more email correspondence is pointless and I will not respond to someone who does not understand.

 

By all means, stop responding then. I do understand your way, it is soft hatred, not the way of love.  It is the soft hatred that is passionless and limp-wristed.  It is the soft hatred that lets a suicidal friend blow his brains out.  You love being loved more than you love others enough to let them hate you.

 

I will just stop its pointless to try to conversate with you anyway I am well aware of this.

Good, then stop if that is really what you want. It does not matter to me, I can do this as long as you like. If you write me again, I will respond, and if you stay away, I will not bother you.

 

You can take a thousand people and read them one verse of the bible and ask them to explain what it meant and you will get many different answers.

 

That was from the first letter,  I just wanted to say, That is not true.  Take a thousand people of average intelligence who have never heard of the bible and give them a verse and they will all read the same thing.  It is only the prejudices of tradition and creed that blind people to the plain meaning of the text.

 

Here is an example, most Christians do not believe these words.

 

1 John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

 

Those words are not hard to understand, but most Christians immediately begin to explain them away, but 1000 people who had never heard of Christ or the bible could easily read those words and know their meaning.

 

Sincerely,

Paul Stringini

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Name Withheld

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 8:53 AM

Subject: Re: Unenlightened

OK just stop emailing me. You don't have to try to get the last word in I am not even reading what you send. Just stop emailing now I am starting to feel like I contacted a crazy person and you are really starting to make me worry. I understand who you are and don't want to communicate anymore. Can you at least try to respect that?


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----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Name Withheld

Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 1:58 PM

Subject: Re: Unenlightened

No, you stop writing me, I told you, if you write me, I will reply to you.  I told you that, and you wrote me anyway.  You don't have to have the last word.  You don't have the right to send me a message, and then demand that I do not reply to it, that is absolutely ridiculous.  If you do not wish to hear from me again, then please stop sending me messages to respond to.  I told you once, and now I'm telling you again.  I'm not the one who is doing the emailing here, you contacted me, and you are the one who keeps sending me one additional message, you are the one desperate to have the last word.  If nothing more needs to be said, then shut up and go away.  You are provoking me.