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I Shouldn't Be Bashing Arnold Murray - Money and Men of God
Question/Comment:
----- Original Message -----From: Emailer #256To: Paul StringiniSent: Friday, January 02, 2015 12:32 PMSubject: Pastor Arnold vs. You
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I normally do not comment on these kind of post. I feel I would like to, now. We are human!
It is up to us to discern whether Pastor Arnold is right or wrong. I do not like bashing of religious leaders. I feel God will judge them according to what he feels appropriate. I noticed you ask for donations!!!! Poor you, cry me a river😩
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Stringini"
To: Emailer #256
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: Pastor Arnold vs. You
Bashing religious leaders? I don't really bash Murray, I take him to task based on his teachings, that's fair game. But I will bash him for you, because he has it coming. Pastor Murray is one of the biggest bashers around. He bashes the Catholics, not by name, but he does not need to when he mentions that they wear "backward collars" Revolving Rev's? Bashing every single religious leader with the title Rev. I think Murray's fake disdain for bashing religious leaders was hypocritical. And it isn't biblical either. The bible calls us to single out false teachers so that people can avoid them.
I don't ask for donations. I allow donations, because they asked. All my stuff is free, on demand. But Arnold Murray asks for donations constantly, the hypocrite. Donations for bibles, donations for cd's, donations to "help us keep coming to you." He was a regular donation hog. Every single
broadcast. And suckers don't realize that he is snookering them, because he says "I never beg" Oh! he never "begs" but he has his hand out like any
other panhandling fake on TV.
Editorial Note: This message was less generous than I generally prefer to be. I do not think that Arnold Murray was consciously disingenuous. I believe he lacked self-awareness and self-reflection to the degree that he was not able to see how blatantly hypocritical and manipulative his words really were.
----- Original Message -----From: Emailer #256To: Paul StringiniSent: Friday, January 02, 2015 9:08 PMSubject: Pastor Arnold response
Sent from my iPad. Dear Paul
If I am not mistaken, every church organization depends on tithes. I think the Catholic Church has a big source of revenue. If you want to call out Pastor Arnold, then you need to include every TV evangelist that ask for money. Your calling out seems to be just directed at him. It simply is your word verses his. Why don't you get on the airways , and teach how you interrupt the Bible? Then people can judge you on your message.
----- Original Message -----From: Paul StringiniTo: Emailer #256Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 2:16 PMSubject: Re: Pastor Arnold response
Hello again, Thanks for responding. Very nice to hear from you.
"If I am not mistaken, every church organization depends on tithes."
I think you are mistaken, I am not a church, but I don't depend on tithes, or any form of offering. Also, many believe (as do I) that the tithe has passed away in the New Covenant. Many churches agree with this and do not lay the tithe on their congregation. So the tithe is not universal, by any means.
"If you want to call out Pastor Arnold, then you need to include every TV evangelist that ask for money. "
Why is that so? I don't have television and I don't know who is preaching on it. But I have hundreds of Arnold Murray's cassettes which I myself bought from him.
And please, don't misunderstand me. I don't think there is anything wrong with asking for money for ministry materials. Arnold Murray however, makes
a real big deal about it. Boasting how he "never begs." But it is not my word against his to say that he asks for donations for everything except the free introductory package, had a private plane, and while he did not take a salary for teaching, he lived at the Chapel's expense. Nothing wrong with that in my book. Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth the corn, and all that. But there is something incredibly disingenuous and hypocritical about Murray slamming people for "begging," when he "asks for donations" which is the same exact thing. The only reason we think he doesn't beg is because he boldly told us he does not.
He does other things like that. "I never criticize other ministries" He was one of the most caustic and criticizing Pastors on TV, he didn't call them out by name, because he was also a target, being on TV. But he was extremely critical of other ministries, and based on the content of their teaching you can totally identify them. If the ministry teaches the Rapture, every time Murray makes a degrading remark about Rapture believers, you can insert the name of that ministry. The only reason we think he doesn't criticize other ministries is because he boldly told us he does not. But it is not really true.
I don't have any problem with pointing out false doctrines and false ministers, that is not just acceptable, we are called to do just that. But Murray nearly makes it a sin, and I certainly get lots of letters like yours, but he himself does the same thing and that is hypocrisy and deceit, even if he is "not mentioning names" that is a legalistic cop-out. If you are as tough and brave as you tell us, stand up and name the men or shut-up, big-mouth. That is how I honestly feel about the guy after years of enduring the abuse of his students and listening to his abusive and manipulative teaching techniques.
Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
2 Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
"Your calling out seems to be just directed at him. "
Pastor Murray was my bible teacher in my youth (we are talking 20 years ago), and I also taught his doctrines. So since I now believe that he was a false teacher, it is my responsibility to warn people of that.
"It simply is your word verses his."
No, there is an objective truth. And if I hold his words and deeds up to the objective truth they will stand or fall, the same goes for my words. It is up to you to judge the words.
"Why don't you get on the airways , and teach how you interrupt the Bible? Then people can judge you on your message."
But I do. I guess you did not see the "Studies" link?http://oraclesofgod.org/studies/index.htm
All my studies are free, as I believe I said before. Not television, but the internet. Television ministry is too expensive, the money could be better spent. I teach the bible line by line on my website and share my studies freely on peer to peer networks (the ones usually used for piracy).
Feel free to write again,
I am at your service,
Sincerely,
Paul Stringini
----- Original Message -----From: Emailer #256To: Paul StringiniSent: Monday, January 05, 2015 4:45 PMSubject: Last response on this subject
Dear Paul,
I will not continue talking about Arnold Murray. As I said, I think we have to let God be the judge of Arnold Murray. I am sure you know the passages from Matthew 7:1-5. I feel your credibility would increase, if you left him out of your teachings. Good luck with your future.
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----- Original Message -----From: Paul StringiniTo: Emailer #256Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 6:24 PMSubject: Re: Last response on this subject
I would only mention that I generally keep my criticism of Arnold Murray separate from my teachings. I appreciate you sharing your opinion, and understand that you only have my best interest at heart. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Paul Stringini
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