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"How do you explain the reason for us being in the flesh?"

Question/Comment: 

----- Original Message -----

From: Emailer #249

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:55 AM

Subject: Sherpherd's Chapel

I am afraid as you live your daily life and all seems well....something evil has come upon you!!! You are entitled to believe as you will. I urge you to pray and pray and keep praying. Never stop searching for the truth about God's word. How do you explain. Rev 12:3 And his tail ( Satan) drew the third part of the stars ( God's children).
How do you explain the reason for us being in the flesh? You dont believe Satan (Tyrus) tried to take over???
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. Ezekiel
28:15
Why are you here?? Did you poof into existence,  or was your soul placed into your Mother's womb. Think hard and long!!!!
Who was God speaking to in Genesis 3:15 Ummm lets see Satan. So if he talking to Satan WHY is he telling him there will be beef between the seeds that he will split. Satan continued to attack the seed of Christ you know that!
Where did Cain find his wife???????? Nod Oh there were people there.  Hmmmm how so??
My heart hurts, what happened to you??
You do not have a biblical answer to these questions!
Go back and start again!!!!!!!!!

Humble servant of God

My First Response:

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From: Paul Stringini

To: Emailer #249

Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 6:07 PM

Subject: Re: Sherpherd's Chapel

Hello Emailer #249,  Thank you for writing.

 

How do you explain. Rev 12:3 And his tail ( Satan) drew the third part of the stars ( God's children).

 

First of all, the Stars are the Angels.  Second, You presume that every scripture must have an explanation.  Just because you demand and answer does not mean that any answer that sounds good to you is correct. 

 

This refers to Satan drawing a third of the Angels to the Earth.  Anything one might say in addition to that would be speculation.  It is not given to us to speculate and make up stories that we feel fit into the biblical narrative just because we are not satisfied with what God has given for us to understand.  That is not bible study that is day-dreaming.

 

Colossians 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

 

Arnold Murray had a nasty habit of intruding into things which he has not seen, and which are not in the bible.  He wove an interesting tale, but he is going beyond what is written and reading into the text certain ideas of his own which he finds attractive.  As do many other people.  I found it attractive for a while, but as I continued to study the bible I realized that it was not sustainable using the biblical text, a lot of it is just make-believe, and I'm not interested in that.  You can follow Arnold Murray's dreams and fantasies, but I would rather see you follow the word of God, as it is written, not as Arnold Murray spins it.

 

How do you explain the reason for us being in the flesh? You dont believe Satan (Tyrus) tried to take over???

 

I take it that you connect these two ideas.  There is an underlying assumption driving you to do that.  That we ought not be in the flesh, that we all used to be angels and that Satan's rebellion is the reason this world exists. That God created this world as a sort of mechanism to deal with the rebellion.  That is pure fiction.  The reason we exist is because God wanted to raise up sons.  This world is intentional, it is not being employed as a fixative for some problem from another age. That is Arnold Murray's idea.  You need to learn to distinguish what the bible actually says, from the spin some man puts on it to persuade you of his opinions.

 

We are not, by nature, the children of God.

 

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

 

Sure, all the creatures are his children, we are his children the same way the dogs and the cats and the rats are his children, his creation, but we are not his children in the sense the Arnold Murray teaches.  We are not angels inhabiting flesh bodies.  That is false.

 

God's purpose in creating the world was to raise up sons. 

 

Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

 

Why?  Because God is gracious, and he wanted to do this.  The world is not the result of God reacting to some crisis in heaven caused by Satan's activity.  The verses you could bring to me to support that idea, so not say any such thing, that is something you are reading into those verses based on the false assumptions Arnold Murray has conditioned you to accept as truths.

 

Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. Ezekiel
28:15

Iniquity was not created or invented by Satan,  It was found in him, that implies that he was iniquitous by nature and that the iniquity manifested itself.  This verse does not have any bearing on why God created the world.

 

Why are you here?? Did you poof into existence,  or was your soul placed into your Mother's womb. Think hard and long!!!!

 

I don't think, I listen to what the bible says and follow that.  And the bible says that souls "poof" into existence within the body.

 

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

 

God did not place a soul in man, the soul came into being within the body.  That is the consistent biblical view.  All of Arnold Murray's fantasies about souls from other ages are unsupportable biblically.

 

Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

 

This verse, for example, does not say any of the things Arnold Murray suggests about preexistence.  What the verse is saying is that God knew Jeremiah before he ever existed.  It does not imply that Jeremiah consciously existed with God before he was born and then had his memories wiped out and was stuck in a womb.  Where is that idea coming from?  Arnold Murray, not the bible, the bible never says stuff like that about wiping memories or any such nonsense, it is not a biblical doctrine it is a corruption of the scriptures based on that man's fantasies.

 

God forms us in the belly, that is where we come into being, but God knows us before we even exist.  That is what those verses actually imply.

 

Isaiah 44:2 Thus saith the LORD that made thee, and formed thee from the womb,

 

You will never, eve, ever, ever, find a verse in the bible that implies we were ever formed or created before we were in our mother's womb.  The bible talks about God knowing us, but knowing is not the same as forming.  Before the potter makes the clay, he usually knows what he intends to make, does he not?   God certainly knows.  But you will never run across a verse which says, I made you in heaven (or in some other age), and then I sent you into the womb."  That is not biblical.

 

Who was God speaking to in Genesis 3:15 Ummm lets see Satan. So if he talking to Satan WHY is he telling him there will be beef between the seeds that he will split.

 

The beef is between the woman and Satan and the woman's seed and Satan's seed.  But this has nothing to do with Cain and Abel, both Cain and Abel are the seed of the woman.  Are they not?  Even if Cain was the natural son of Satan, he would also be the natural son of EVE would he not????  So there is no carnal difference between Cain and Abel, they are both equally the seed of Eve.  This point is really beyond dispute.  And once you start doing special pleading over this you ought to consider how much special pleading one must do before they realize that the idea is just unbiblical.

 

You are addressing this passage as if the beef was between Satan and Adam,  which would be what it would have to be if the serpent seed doctrine had any truth to it.

 

The serpent seed is spiritual and so is the seed of the woman.  This passage finds it's companion in Revelation chapter 12, the woman and the Dragon,  17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

 

Cain did not slay Abel because the Devil was his literal father.  Cain slew Abel,and was a child of the devil,because his works were evil.  This seed has nothing to do with our word "sperm."

 

1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

I have God's seed in me, and there is nothing perverted about that. That is what makes me a son of God.

 

A child of the devil is a child of the devil because of their works.  To say that it has something to do with their race is not Christianity.

 

Satan continued to attack the seed of Christ you know that!

 

Only so much as it was given for him to do so. Sometimes I for get that people embroiled in Murray's teachings do not yet see how ridiculous his God vs Satan scenario really is.  It is based on the bible, but he flies far and wide away from the biblical story using his imagination, this is not the work of a responsible bible teacher.

 

Where did Cain find his wife???????? Nod Oh there were people there.  Hmmmm how so??

 

Adam and Eve had many more children, obviously.  The bible says so. 

 

Genesis4:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

 

Since Eve was the mother of all living,

 

Genesis 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

and since God has made of one, all the nations of the earth.

 

Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, 

 

There can be no other conclusion.

 

My heart hurts, what happened to you??

 

I kept studying, and I gave what the bible said more weight than what Arnold Murray said.

You do not have a biblical answer to these questions!

 

I certainly do. You are in denial.

Go back and start again!!!!!!!!!

 

Never.

Humble servant of God

18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

 

The knowledge which Arnold Murray imparts is just the sort that puffs up.  It adds nothing to your faith and gives you no assistance when it comes to walking according to the righteousness which Christ has promised by the Gospel. 

 

Arnold Murray corrupts people with flattery and self promotion.  His methods are irresponsible and unscholarly.  He is not to be relied on.  His version of Christianity is tainted with the leaven of his personal philosophy and fantasies.

 

If you have any further questions, I am at your service.

 

Sincerely,

Paul Stringini

 

Emailer's First Reply:

----- Original Message -----

From: Emailer # 249

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 8:15 PM

Subject: Re: Sherpherd's Chapel

I just want to say this to you child of God.  It sounds to me like you have emnity with God's Elect. Are you a hater?? Satan was!!

Do you remember Rev. 12:17

And the dragon was wroth with the woman and went to make war with the remnant of her seed....

Are you at war??? I hope not because your fighting against God. 

Go back to your first love, dont be a Godfighter.

In his service

My Second Response:

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Emailer #249

Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:18 AM

Subject: Re: Sherpherd's Chapel

Consider how I carefully, and how at length, I  took the time and trouble to respond to you as an individual.  I brought the scriptures you said I didn't have. Compare that with your own response to me.  It is very easy for people to see where the love is coming from.  Love is not saying "I love you" or using soft speeches, love is what DOES good for someone. Love is what goes out of the way for someone, even an enemy, as I did for you.  I did you as much good as I could, and you repay me with bitter talk suggesting I hate God's elect. As if by telling you the truth I hate you or something. You did not respond to anything I said, you just start in comparing me to Satan.  Based on nothing I even said. You just throw it out there carelessly.   You are disrespectful and rude.  I understand it is frustrating, but your response is unworthy of Christian service.  If you are not going to serve, then don't sign "In his service."

 

I hate false doctrine.  There is nothing wrong with that.

 

Psalm 119:128 Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way.

 

I've never hated Pastor Murray personally, I've got no reasons to hate him. If I expose his ways as deceitful, and you think that is hateful, that is your judgment.  Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, and from your own lips comes the talk of hate.  So the hate is all in you.  You must have hated my response.  Because you are acting like I never made one.

 

If you should have any further questions, I am at your service.

 

Sincerely,

 

Paul Stringini

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