"The Teaching's of Pastor Arnold Murray Are Correct and All of the Other Teachings Are False Doctrines"

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"The Teaching's of Arnold Murray Are Correct and All of the Other Teachings Are False Doctrines"

Question/Comment:

----- Original Message -----

From: Emailer #245

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 5:55 AM

Do you speak Hebrew or Chaldi? Mr. Murray spent extensive time living in Israel & befriending, studying w/ ppl. who spoke fluent Hebrew& Greek. I highly doubt u have done so...it is evident in your lack of knowledge. The word "Rapture" is not Biblical. Does not exist. if you were familiar with the org. Text, u would know this. you would also know that the teaching's of Arnold Murray are correct and all of the other teachings are false doctrines . Remove the blinders from your eyes. for the first time in my life the Bible makes sense to me..thank u Shepherd's Chapel!!!!!! and as far as I'm concerned you are being judgemental and condescending and I pray that the Lord has mercy on your soul. But mostly feel sorry for you ....but I will pray for your family, as I hope you will do the same for mine. I don't need a response from u. Nor do I want one. I've studied the Bible over 40 years now...& am finally free from the perversion of false teachers.

My First Response:

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Emailer #245

Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 3:06 PM

Subject: Re:

Hi there,

Thanks for making your opinion known. I don't know where you got your information, but you get a response whether you need one or not, that is how it goes. No one has the right to email another party and demand that they do not respond. If you do not wish to hear from me, then don't write me, simple. If you write me, you will get a response, that is my right.

For one, I don't have anything to do with the rapture doctrine. So I don't know why you would come to me talking about the rapture nonsense. Arnold Murray is not the only teacher who knows that the rapture is a false doctrine.

Second, I have studied Arnold Murray's teachings extensively. He never, ever, claimed to have lived in Israel nor to have studied Hebrew there. By making this claim you are actually misrepresenting Arnold Murray and doing him a disservice by passing on false rumors about his background.

You write me with misrepresentations about Arnold Murray, and myself, and tell me I'm judgmental? I think you are a bit judgmental since you didn't even bother to hear what I had to say, and make all sorts of judgments about me.

Arnold Murray was one of the most perverse false teachers of them all. He was a con-man who abused the trust of his students and led them astray perverting the scriptures based on false claims to scholarship and a selective use of evidence. That is the truth. You want to defend him, but you don't seem to want to get your facts straight.

Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

If you can't see that Cain is Adam's offspring. That is what I call having blinders on.

Anyway, since you didn't really want to hear from me, that is all the time I'm going to give you. But should you need my assistance, I will be at your service.

Sincerely,

Paul Stringini

Emailer's First Reply:

----- Original Message -----

From: Emailer #245

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 11:45 AM

Subject: Re:

As I stated b,,4 u clearly don't know the facts. Last time I checked there was only one judge and that's God , you come off as an extremely judgemental person and that's not a very Christian like attitude
you need to check your facts you need to talk to people who have been there before and you need to watch every video he's ever been in because he does talk about being in Israel extensively so not misrepresenting anyone. check your facts sir , you are wrong ,God bless

My Second Response:

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Emailer #245

Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 3:53 PM

Subject: Re: Re:

Hi again,

As a matter of fact, I have studied Hebrew and Greek. I just don't go around sounding the trumpet about it, like Arnold Murray used to.  From my studies in Hebrew and Greek I learned that Arnold Murray was an incompetent scholar. I know that you have not studied much, because you say things like this: "if you knew the original text the transliteration not the translation you would know by stating that Cain is not Adam son he is Satan's son it is all there in black and white."

None of that is true, you will never read any such thing in black and white, no, not in the Hebrew. ...And the part about translations and transliterations doesn't make any sense. It sounds like you are using big words to seem like you know something important.  It makes me wonder just what you think a transliteration is, and also what it is good for. Transliteration is just switching the original letters for modern letters. I have several bibles in Hebrew and also in Greek.   The text of Genesis 4:1, which I cited, is translated accurately. I've done rigorous comparisons of how those words are used in other contexts. Not merely out of a Strong's Concordance, but using a Hebrew Concordance, which is more useful when working in Hebrew.

Arnold Murray had a story he believed in, and he took advantage of people's ignorance of Hebrew and Greek to get them to believe as he did. But every time he tries to pronounce a word in Hebrew or Greek he butchers it badly, and his lack of expertise is completely exposed. I actually checked him out, as he suggested, and found out he was a fake. When he said "don't trust this man" he gained your confidence and exploited it with flatteries. You obviously did not do a very good job checking him out.

I don't judge men, I judge fruit. I judge what men DO.  I have every right to do this. It is our DUTY to do it. Murray also judged the fruit of other men frequently. Christ requires this of us, so there is nothing wrong with it.   You don't like my judgment, you call me judgmental, but you are judging Arnold Murray also, only you do not judge his fruit, you judge him personally, you judge the man.  You judged that he was a good man, so you trusted the fruit he produced.  That was a mistake, that is backwards. You shall know them by their fruits.

Sincerely,

Paul Stringini

Emailer's Second Reply:

----- Original Message -----

From: Emailer #245

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2014 5:16 PM

Subject: Re: Re:

Goodbye Paul. Agree to disagree. You are sadly as brainwashed as the " ones" u r quick to point out are. You can continue wasting your time. I know the truth & it has set me Free , free from. Ppl. Like yourself.
BTW, I am Greek. Have a feeling that my intimate understanding of that language is more than a study of words chosen at convince & out of context. God bless you.

My Third Response:

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Emailer #245

Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:00 AM

Subject: Re: Re:

Free from me? That's silly. When were you in bondage to me? I'm just a former Shepherd's Chapel student. I'm not a Pastor or anything.

Being intimate with Greek, as you claim, you should probably already know how Arnold Murray butchered the Greek. For example when he talked about exapatao.

Does "Expattio!" Really Mean Sexually Seduced? Or Is Arnold Murray Deceiving Us?

Or are you of another opinion? Do tell. I am not really interested in persuading you, but there are other people reading my website who will be persuaded by me, and you, as an expert in Greek, could defend some of Arnold Murray's claims and possibly refute my arguments.

You see, I have this web site, and all kinds of people come there looking for information on the Shepherd's Chapel, they will read our exchange and note how you back down from actually defending Murray. They will note how you boast big things, but don't seem to be able to actually refute anything. As an expert in Greek, surely you could set me straight, in front of everyone, on exapatao. After all, you just claimed to intimately know Greek. For all the people who come to my site with questions about Arnold Murray, you could demonstrate that Murray is 100% correct. I'm waiting...

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