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"Thanks for Leading Me to Arnold Murray"

I believe I made a mistake here.  This guy's story seemed so improbable.  That someone would find my website first, and then be led to Murray. I guess it comes from my being used to dealing with one kind of situation and lacking a little imagination, I forget that Arnold is not the only identity cult out there, it is still hard to believe, but I believed him and I did apologize.  As I say, I'm not really judging men here, just the words of men, and I thought the words were lies. I still stand by everything I said afterward and between.  But I believe he was not lying, and that I was wrong in saying he was.  I don't think I could have reacted any other way at the time.

But it does make you wonder why I get so much hate.  After all, this guy says that I actually led him to Arnold Murray... Hard as that was to believe, according to him, it seems like I'm doing Murray lot's of favors.  I know what Murray would have told his disciples to do about me, he would have told them to, "Leave 'em alone."

Question/Comment: 

----- Original Message -----
From: Name Withheld
To: Paul Stringini
Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 6:17 PM
Subject: Arnold Murray

I wanted to tell u thanks for leading me to Arnold Murray,I read your post and went to check him out myself,granted arbeh is a stretch,but I couldn't find another error in what he's teaching,I've never seen that before,and even if he's stretching on arbeh,those locusts are the Arabs,locusts migration range only covers Arab countries,and God refers to Nineveh as being like locusts and having teeth as lions and wings,that is a known symbol of the ancient Assyrian Nineveh,locusts have4 stages,and I've watched the Arab spring now for years and knew Isis or the locusts army was coming,they were in stages,this is the last,there taking flight and running rampant over the lands,this has never happened before,a army of murderers,and they began in the region of Nineveh and there spreading out to cover all of the ancient Assyria,it's not just coincidence,oh no.and what do u know,it seems are president is paralyzed or something,u need to read up on how scorpions kill and eat there prey,but just wanted to say thanks for the help,I didn't know preachers exist that are teaching what I was reading,u have a good one,but ps. Good eye,arbeh was a stretch,he shouldn't of did that,he should of known many would point to it and leave all other evidence under the rug,or u know,maybe that's why he did it,js

My First Response:

Editorial Note: The gray text is stuff I shouldn't have said.

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Stringini
To:  Name Withheld
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: Arnold Murray
You know who the father of lies is, do you not?  That's right, the Devil is the father of liars.  So you lie and say I led you to Arnold Murray...  It is inexplicable to me the degree to which the followers of Arnold Murray will lie without conscience.  No liar will inherit the kingdom of God.  Repent.  Don't kid yourself, if someone reads my website, and that leads them to follow Arnold Murray, then I say go, I don't need people like that.  But you are lying, as you know full well.  It is not even a believable lie.  And I suppose you will write me again to convince me of your lie?  Don't bother.  You found my website because you were already into Arnold Murray, and now you think you are being clever by concocting this pointless lie in order to score imaginary points on me.  Even if such a person existed.  It would just be another person with an unfounded opinion. Arnold Murray was a fake.  And so are you.  He taught you it was ok to be a fake, by being one himself.
 
When a few more YEARS go by, maybe you will understand that Arnold Murray was a false prophet.  He would stretch the 5 months into 20 years.  Maybe you ought to start submitting yourself to the word of God rather than subjecting the word of God to the perverse musings of corrupt me like Arnold Murray, and yourself. 
 
Sincerely,
Paul Stringini

Emailer's First Reply:

Message -----
From: Name Withheld
To: Paul Stringini
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: Arnold Murray

Lol,your a special case my friend,awww yeah u did lead me to him genius,and no I wasn't looking him up,I was looking up locusts,in connection with Arabs,but u got things figured out,but thanks for the name calling,I'm a liar now? Wow,and I'm the one that might not have a chance with the kingdom,like I said,a special case,can't see your own code of error that lives in you,you've got issues,just because u don't acknowledge them don't make them not exist but feel free to judge others as u obviously do,time will tell,ill ask again if u still think I'm a liar there,u have a good one,and no matter how u choose do delute yourself,in any case,thanks for his shout out,it helped.

My Second Response:

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Stringini
To: Name Withheld
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: Arnold Murray
Really, what purpose did you have in writing me back "thanking me?"  Since you knew full well what I think of Murray.  It was written solely for the purpose of provocation.  And if it wasn't a lie, it was still just the sort of thing I've come to expect from the sort that follow false doctrines such as Arnold Murray taught.  You find no fault with him.  That is all I need to know to find fault with you.

Emailer's Second Reply:

----- Original Message -----
From: Name Withheld
To: Paul Stringini
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: Arnold Murray

No see that's where your being hypocritical,I read what u wrote,and decided to check him out,this big deciever and what I found was yeah this man is human,he's like me,on occasion he likes to think out of the box and sometimes he's wrong,the arbeh was an educated guess which I agree he shouldn't of did in public,but I checked him out and 99%of the rest of what he says is dead on,he's human,Hagee or Benny hinn,the percentage drops to around 20%,so yeah I decided to answer YOUR PROVOCATION that u wrote of a pastor that is actually teaching almost with 100% accuracy,because why? Because it's terrible how some people latch on to one wrong and in your own words didn't listen no more,just saying,don't get angry some just aren't meant to know,and u never once thought that he might of said it to weed people out,never crossed your mind,if I was him,that's what I would do on occasion,it tells u who your true friends are,and those that aren't will latch onto that and attack,smart guy,js......but yeah,I answered provocatively to a provocative statement about a fellow HUMAN being,so sue me

My Third Response:

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Stringini
To: Name Withheld
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: Arnold Murray
The point is, that when you write with such clear intent.  If I think you are a liar,  and you are not, it is you that has deceived me.  It is not that the provocation itself offends me, or angers me, what do you think I'm doing here?  lol. It is that your words deceive me.  That is your choice.  Which makes you a liar either way.  And if you think Murray is 99% right on,  I don't think you do a very good job of checking things out.  But everyone is entitled to their opinion. 

Emailer's Third Reply:

----- Original Message -----
From: Name Withheld
To: Paul Stringini
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: Arnold Murray
Tuch'e,u have a good one

My Fourth Response:

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Stringini
To: Name Withheld
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: Arnold Murray
Pardon me this, I have to say it.
 
99% of the rest he says... SO how can someone, knowing nothing of Arnold Murray,  start listening to him, and say something like that?  Most of his core doctrines are imaginations.  The elect are the elect because they stood against Satan in the world that was and they earned their position. That's not in the bible, you can't even check that out.   Let's see....  There is no such thing as the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, that was all sex, also not in the bible.  Oh yeah... the antichrist will appear in 1981. That is not in the bible, but Murray said it.  And...  We were in the 5th trump in 1995.  Same story.  And Much much more. Arnold Murray is a false prophet and a false teacher with a track record a mile long, you do well to compare him to Benny hinn, I just think you got your numbers wrong. 
 
But seriously,  you found that you agreed with him 99%?  Don't give me the credit, it is obvious your own previous understanding of the scripture led you to accept a perverse merchant of the scriptures as 99% correct.  I really had nothing to do with it other than to have mentioned his name.  If you are able to agree 99% with that guy, then you two were on a collision course. I have no remorse over that. 
 
Anyway, I trust that whatever the Lord has in store for you he will be faithful to do it.  I pray that he will open all our eyes to a clearer understanding of the truth.  I do mean that.
 
Sincerely,
Paul Stringini

Emailer's Fourth Reply:

----- Original Message -----
From: Name Withheld
To: Paul Stringini
Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2014 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: Arnold Murray

I knew of those things u said the election were chosen before,and eve and Satan making Cain before Murray,the math of 1981 I don't know what your talking about,guess I gotta look that up,when u start dealing in math things get fuzzy,but yeah the first two have always been known to me since I first picked up a bible,he's correct on those,listen if u can't see it,then u just can't,it is what it is,in time your eyes will open,what else can I tell you,I just think your energy would be better spent on blatant false teachers,and they are abundant,or at least the living,u know you ruffled feathers when people are still attacking u after your death,and I read he died last year or early this year.that's like me attacking ghangis Khan,makes no sense,but I gotta go,got grass to cut,u have a nice night

My Fifth Response:

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Stringini
To: Name Withheld
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: Arnold Murray
I used to be a student of Arnold Murray, in fact, he was the only teacher I ever had.  And I believed and taught all those things. So I "saw" all that already when I was younger. There is no way I would ever return to that.  It is not a question of "seeing," I see all too clearly now, whereas before I was blinded by my willingness to allow men to corrupt the scriptures in order to believe stories that tickled my ears.  But because I made conscientious study of the scriptures,  I came to doubt the things Arnold Murray taught me and eventually reject them and the Holy Spirit led me to the truth.  I do the page on Arnold Murray because he was my teacher, and because I supported that ministry and know it's doctrine, I feel that I have a responsibility.
 
You have an incorrect definition of what blindness is.  You seem to think blindness is like showing a man an ink blot, and he says he sees a dog (or whatever) and you say to him, "What!  Are you blind? It is obviously an old woman!"  Now I will demonstrate to you how I define blindness.
 
If you cannot see the following, then you are clearly blind. Period.  Because this is not an ink blot, and I'm not playing with the bible text to manipulate what it says:
 
1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain,
 
It is the same formula later in the chapter:

17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch:
 
This is one of the ways in which the bible clearly communicates carnal descent.  If you read Genesis 3 and see the Devil having sex with Adam and Eve,  that is imagination or hallucination.  And if you cannot see that the bible teaches that Cain was Adam's son.  I am not blind.  I can read the bible and learn from it.  I have no respect for those who treat the bible like it is a tool for them to manipulate like that.  All the texts that they bring in to support that idea are also manipulations, and I know them all, every one, and can demonstrate with the same clarity why they do not support any such ideas. 
 
Arnold Murray and men like him have manipulated the idea of having "eyes to see"  and perverted it.  I keep making reference to this as if I don't know all about blindness.  In religion, the blind tend to make void the word of God in order to establish their fantasies.  They then attempt to bully and manipulate those who do not "see" as they do and flatter those who will agree with them. 
 
I did not say the election were chosen before.  Arnold Murray teaches that the elect fought against Satan, and that for this reason they were "chosen"  Of course that undermines the entire biblical idea of election. Which is that God chose us out of his grace and not because we "earned it." Arnold Murray used to slam his fist on the word "earned it." The election were chosen before they existed, they were chosen "before they were born,"  not "when they were before."  But Murray teaches that the elect chose to follow God,  which really makes God their elect and not vice versa.  Anyways, if you actually believed that before ever having heard from him or from one of his disciples  (they are a secretive and deceitful group)  Then I'm totally blown away, but not in a good way.  Those ideas have nothing to do with the biblical doctrine of election.
 
When it came to the most important issues of Christianity Arnold Murray was truly blind.  He focuses on knowledge that is unprofitable, mocks those who seek to be righteous in Christ, and generally reads into the bible his own personal philosophy.
 
Anyway,  I did a whole page on 1981,  and you can hear Arnold in his own words tell you what the math is.  Like I said he is a proven false prophet. 
 
I did a Google on "locusts Arabs"  just to see how you could have gotten onto my page, well, It wouldn't be my first mistake, I apologize for calling you a liar.  (who knew I would rate so high on "locusts and Arabs" lol ) even so,  I could just as easily say that Arnold Murray led you to me.  I would never write about locusts and Arabs, that is the kind of stuff the false prophets are talking about.  But because Arnold said it, I got a question from a reader.  Maybe it's just what is going around. 

You see it as being led to Murray, Murray, with  whom you agree with 99%, like God would need to lead you to a guy you already agree with 99%.  No, you found me thru Murray.  After all, I'm obviously not a "psychic friend"  but I do write those who write me.  If you had read a lot of my writings you would find that I have often said that I regard every person who writes me as sent by God.  That is for good or evil,  I presumed for evil, but who knows.  Many of the people that study with me, were led to me by Arnold Murray, and that is no lie, and it really makes some people mad. (and I don't mean you)
 
I recommend my audio bible studies.  What percentage of false prophet am I?  http://oraclesofgod.org/studies/
 
Sincerely,
Paul Stringini

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