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Dealing with Emailer #214's Cut and Pasted Text

Sex With The Devil

In exchange#222, Emailer #214 cut-and-pasted texts from an exterior website in order to argue points he was too lazy to put into his own words.  I generally do not answer such plagiarized arguments.  It is way too convenient a way to take up a lot of my time, and considering the way this guy abused me, I was in no mood to make a special exception for him.  But now, nearly a year later, for the sake of other people who are having trouble with the false doctrine of Arnold Murray, I have decided to deal with his links and texts more extensively than I did in our original exchange,  which can be seen here:  Email 222h - "Information for PAUL, the self proclaimed "teacher."Cut-and-Pasted Texts Rejected

I do this in order to demonstrate that my reluctance to deal with every wall of text dumped on me has nothing to do with my ability to completely dismantle the serpent seed lie. I'm going to deal with these texts a little differently than I do normal emails.  I will break in with my commentary throughout the original texts.

----- Original Message -----

From: Emailer 214

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:28 PM

Subject: Eve had sex with the devil aka "Paul's Dad".

http://sexwiththedevil.blogspot.com/

Hope the link works.

Anyone want to read another DIP's rottlings concerning what he thinks he knows about scripture?

Check out Matt slick. I thought Paul was the biggest ding bat in existence until I ran across this guy. His daughter is now an atheist...dang!

----- Original Message -----

From: Emailer #214

To:  Paul Stringini

Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 7:46 PM

Subject: A portion of your refresher course.

FYI...a semi colon means  a change in thought, a continued sentence, but a change in subject or thought, or time frame..., sometimes all three...Switching gears...THAT is where YOU and many others have missed the boat in what is reflected in the Bible, and that is ONE of the reasons you are so confused.

The other reason is because you are weak minded and allowed yourself to be cheated out of knowledge you were in the process of obtaining.

Here is where Emailer #214 begins pasting someone else's work.

In John 8:44 we read: “Ye are out of your father the devil” The term "out of" in the Greek means (genesis, generation, genes, seed, offspring).

In John 8:44 "Of"  is the Greek word Ek, and indeed means "out of" or "out from" and indicates the point of origin.  But the further point made here that it is somehow indicative of "offspring" is not correct.  That would depend entirely on the context.  The context of John 8:44 indicates that the men Christ is referring to were "of the Devil" in a spiritual sense.  This is especially apparent since Christ had just confirmed their genealogical descent from Abraham. John 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed. I cover John 8 extensively in my work on the Serpent Seed which I highly recommend.  http://oraclesofgod.org/questions/audio/003_The_Seed_of_the_Serpent.mp3  To say that here is means "offspring," or "genes " specifically is misleading, at best..

 “And the lusts of your father ye shall do. He was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own, for he is a liar and the FATHER of it.” Jesus comes right out and says it plainly "Your father" is the devil, and He says it twice in one sentence for absolute clarity. Your father here does not simply mean that they are like satan, as many suppose, but rather that satan is literally their ancestor, and their progenitor.

Again this is manifestly untrue based on the context of John 8 where it is clear that while Chirist affirms their carnal descent from Abraham he is denying their spiritual descent from God.  By reading the verses which lead up to verse 44 one can clearly see this point develop but this author is not interested in context he is only interested in furthering his perverse understanding of the Serpent's seed.

John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

See how that Jesus clearly affirms their carnal descent form Abraham.

38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41Ye do the deeds of your father.

Jesus is saying that since their BEHAVIOR is different than Abraham's there is a sense in which they are not the Children of Abraham. There is no teaching anywhere in the bible that says your ancestors have any bearing on whether or not you would seek to kill someone.  Jesus cannot possibly be saying that their intent to murder him was evidence that Abraham was not their father.  Do not forget that the Sons of Jacob were willing to murder Joseph and that David murdered Uriah that he might Possess Bath Sheba.  There is nothing about being descended from Abraham that prevents men from desiring to murder righteous men.

41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

Jesus was clearly making a spiritual distinction, which they readily understood.  When they claimed God as their father this demonstrates that they understood the discussion had become spiritual.  They were proud of both their carnal and spiritual descent.

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

When Christ says they are "of the Devil," he meant it in the same sense that they meant it when they said their father was God.  Jesus was never suggesting that Satan was literally their ancestor. To suggest so is to intentionally ignore the clear intent of Christ's words.

And they said something back to Jesus in response to his allegations, which is very interesting.

Because they full well knew the sense in which he meant it. They had already asserted that God was their father (and that could only be taken in a spiritual sense).  It would never have occured to them that Christ was suggesting that Satan was their carnal ancestor.  That is clearly against what Christ said.

“They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus said to them; if ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham. But now ye seek to kill me, a man that has told you the truth, which I have heard of God; this did not Abraham. Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, “We be not born of fornication; we have one Father even God!” The fornication these men were talking about, was the fornication between Eve and the Serpent. They understood that Jesus was implying that Eve had an illegitimate child, and that they were the seed of the devil, not Adam and Abraham. The fall of mankind started with sexual intercourse between Eve and the "Serpent."

Notice the scrupulous avoidance of verse 37 "I know that you are Abraham's seed."  Believing in this sort of spurious interpretation means ignoring clear context and reading into the text ideas that the text itself does not present. 

The reference to fornication should be obvious to any student of the Old Testament.  God was the Father of Israel, spiritually of course.  The concept of fornication refers to idolatry.  They percieved the shift in Christ's conversation from carnal descent to that of spiritual descent.  By suggesting that they were born of some other "father" than Abraham, they understood that Christ meant their spiritual origin, which they insist was of GOD.  Notice, that when Christ brings up the issue of their having another "father"  they do not continue to insist that the argument is over Abraham, but over God.

The apostle John also knew what happened in the Garden of Eden. He wrote in, I John 3:10-12

Notice, as we leave his brief examination of John 8:37, he completely ignores the verse where Jesus confirms that they were the seed of Abraham.

“In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother. For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.”

This is another verse that has been taken out of context.

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Notice, that in verse 9 John defines those who are born of God as having the seed of God remaining in them.  That is very important because we are talking about a spiritual seed in this context, and that is manifestly true.

Notice in this key verse of John's letter, he says that Cain come "out of that wicked one.”

He means out of Satan's penis, literally.

In this statement John could never have been saying that Cain came out of Adam. Adam was not evil, neither was he called the wicked one, whose son Cain was.

According to Genesis 4:1 Cain was the son of Adam. All these other instances of special pleading are irrelevant.  One does not need to be a direct descendant of the Devil to be capable of doing as Cain did.  Neither does Cain's crime find it's explanation in some sort of supernatural sexual liaison of Eve with Satan.  The reason Cain did what he did is clearly stated by the Apostle. "Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous."  So it had nothing to do with him being carnally descended from the Devil, which is not even a biblical idea.

 According to the written Word of God, Adam was a righteous man.

Exactly what word is he referring to? That is not written in the bible. As the man who was responsible for all our deaths, I can't exactly see how he was all clean for having partaken with Eve in the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Also there is an assumption here that is a total LIE.  The assumption he is making is that Righteous men only have righteous children.  That is not true.

In the previous chapter John wrote of the believers, ". . . because you have overcome the wicked one" (I John 2:13, 14). Again John is referring to the Devil as being the "wicked one" as he is described in many other places in the Scriptures, and Cain was a child of the Devil, not Adam!

Cain was of the Devil because his sin was so great.  But this writer is overlooking what John is saying in 1 John 3, and that is WHOEVER SINS is not of God.  John's point is that any sins we commit lead us down the same path that Cain blazed.  It was the same point Jesus was making in John 8 "Whoever commiteth sin is the servant of sin."  We need to be made free so we don't end up like Cain, children of the Devil, his spiritual offspring.

Jesus told the religious leaders plainly, “You are not of My Father, you are of your father the devil,” and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. These men were descendants of Lucifer, and Cain was their Father not Adam. And the veil that had been placed over their eyes was suddenly blown away by the truth that was always there, hidden from the beginning of time.

What this writer is doing is called "selective use of evidence"  and "deck stacking" you should never trust anyone who does that.  John 8:37 I know that you are Abraham's seed.

THE WHEAT AND THE TARES

In Matthew 13:24-30 and 37-43. Jesus explains to his disciples the Parable of “The Wheat and Tares” He says "I Will Utter Things Which Have Been Kept Secret From The Foundation Of The World." Jesus sends the multitude of people away, and went inside the house, and his disciples came to him saying, "Explain unto us the parable of the tares of the field."

Do you think it was just a coincidence that they chose this one specific parable for clarification? No this parable is very important to know the hidden meaning, in order to understand the Bible and to know what is going on in the World!

I agree that the Parable of the Tares is important, but this guy is going to ignore some of the main points of the parable in order to force it into his template.

Another parable put he forth unto them saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? From whence then has it tares? He said unto them an enemy has done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn...

He answered and said unto them, HE THAT SOWETH THE GOOD SEED IS THE SON OF MAN. THE FIELD IS THE WORLD; THE GOOD SEED ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE KINGDOM; BUT THE TARES ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE "WICKED ONE;" THE ENEMY THAT SOWED THEM IS THE DEVIL; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire; there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who has ears to hear, let him hear.

It's fairly easy to see what verse he thinks you should pay attention to.

Let's look at Christ's explanation which explains what happened at the beginning of the world and read about the "seed" (sperma) that was sown.

Jesus reveals that He (Yahweh) has fathered the good seed (the wheat God’s children) and that the tares (the weeds and thorns) have been fathered by the devil.

Ah, Arnold Murray's Modalism is creeping out here. So in this interpretation the way in which the "seed" are sown is carnal.  But why does he not apply that interpretation to both sides of the equation.  If Satan sows children by the use of his Penis, that would require the same thing of Christ.  God would have to have sex with Eve in other words.  But the seeds are not carnal seeds.  Otherwise salvation would merely be an issue of race (something Arnold Murray always avoided and equivocated about.)

 When you read the New Testament story about the blind man who suddenly received his sight, the first thing he sees is "men as trees, walking" this has a much deeper meaning, God is trying to open our eyes to the fact that there are two different seeds or (bloodlines) in the world.

Actually, it meant that his vision was only partially restored and men looked much the same as trees, except that they walked.  My vision without corrective lenses is only slightly better. He was not only blind, but he also had some sort of astigmatism. This is directly from Arnold Murray's bag of questionable interpretations used to support a false doctrine.  There is no connection.

Those who produce good fruit which are the children of God, and those who produce evil things which are the children of the devil.

I don't have a problem with the fruit production aspect of his interpretation.  That is the same as the message of 1 John 3, our works define us as either the Children of God or of the Devil (spiritually).  The problem is that he fails to deal with the logical consequence of making the seed of the Devil carnal offspring.  If the seed of the devil are his carnal offspring then this parable would mean that only the carnal offspring of the devil would be damned, while everyone else would get saved.  That is decidedly not what the parable means and I would direct the reader to my study in Matthew 13 or to my recent work on the Serpent Seed for a closer look at this parable

When you compare the two they look very much the same, for example a hemlock tree looks very much like a Christmas fur tree, but the roots of a hemlock are a deadly poison. Rye-grass looks very much like wheat, but the seeds of it are a strong soporific poison, that if eaten, produces convulsions and even death. It bears a close resemblance to wheat till the ear appears, and only then can the difference be discovered.

Again, he does not address the point that making the seed carnal renders the whole work of salvation to be one of racial sorting.

God's elect are called the "Cedars of Lebanon" because the roots of the cedar go as deep as the tree is tall and therefore these trees cannot be easily shaken or uprooted. Inside the wood is blood red, and does not rot like other woods, which is a symbol of those who have the blood of Jesus Christ in their veins which gives us everlasting life.

No comment.

Are you hearing what Jesus is saying? Are you one of God's children with ears that are willing to hear? Or have you hardened your heart and plugged your ears saying that "you do not believe that a loving God could do such a thing," because Jesus is talking about casting evil people into hell. Something that goes against your personal beliefs, because you think you would be much more merciful than God!

I think he expects these remarks to seem uncanny, as if he was peering into the depths of our souls and reading our very thoughts.  This is manipulation.  He is making the rest of the parable dependant on his interpretation of the seeds being carnal seeds.  So that rejection of his interpretation is cast as a rejection of everything in the parable.  he assumes that if you cannot agree with his interpretation you must be one who rejects all the words of Christ here.

The Bible is very clear about this fact. Satan's unrepentant children (the tares) shall be gathered up at the end of time and stand before the judgment seat of Jesus Christ, and when they are found guilty bound and cast into the lake of fire along with their father and his fallen angles.

This is the first time he even remotely attempts to deal with the implications of his interpretation.  He calls them Satan's "unrepentant" children.  This is similar to what Arnold Murray says but is every bit as inconsistent.

They first tell us that the parable is talking about carnal seeds, then they undermine the race based sorting by saying that a "tare" can "repent"  How does one repent of who his father was?  It cannot be done.  One cannot undo his descent.  If Satan's children are carnal, then they are an abomination to be destroyed.  They cannot repent of their unnatural origin.  It is not even a sin, so how can they repent of it? 

Basically their point of view makes the parable of the tares about race, but they immediately try to step away from that interpretation's direct implications.

Tares do not turn into wheat that is not possible.  There is nothing about spiritual evolution in this parable.  The point is that while the damned and the saved may look similar as they grow up (for all are sinners) in the end, the righteous bring forth good fruit and the wicked prove who they are.  This parable is about election , in part, but has nothing to do with genealogy or repentence.

 "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Think about all this for a second. What did Eve’s sin of immorality result in?

Eve did not commit a sin of immorality.  She committed a worse sin which is that of disobedience (Examine the Sins of Saul verses those of David).  Until she partook of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil she would not even have had an inkling of what morality was.

It resulted in the birth of satan’s bloodline,

There is no such thing. The very idea is an affront to Christianity which teaches that God is no respecter of persons.  If there were such a bloodline of Satan, it would not be a sin to be born into it.

and her punishment for her immorality  (again, it was not a sin of immorality, morals did not exist) resulted in terrible pain and anguish in childbirth, and the murder of her innocent child Abel. Think about the guilt and the mental anguish Eve must have gone through, after her oldest son killed the younger; and then was banished from her sight forever. This must have brought Eve unbelievable sorrow; only a mother could understand what "sorrow" truly means. This is no different than all the immorality and abortions going on in the world today, which result in the murders of millions of innocent children every year. Think about the guilt and the mental anguish that this must bring upon all the men and women who are responsible for killing their own children.

This is getting off topic...

The free love of the 60’s is a good example of how the devil seduces using music.

That is pure nonsense.  Music does not seduce.  It is the ideas carried in the music which may seduce, perhaps, but no more than ideas in general.  It was not the music of the 60's that led to immorality, it was the musicians and philosophers who shaped western thinking over the past few centuries.

Cut and Pasted Text  Continued.

----- Original Message -----

From: Emailer #214

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:19 PM

Subject: The serpent's seed was Cain,

Genesis 2:16,17; 3:1-7. Then the LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to tend and keep it. And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; "but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it, you shall surely die…

Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, "Yea, has God said, 'Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden'?" And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; "but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat of it, nor shall ye touch it, lest you die.' " Then the serpent said to the woman, "You shall not surely die. "For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil." So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.

As the reader might think to themselves, the devil was telling the truth; Adam and Eve did not die on the day that they partook of the forbidden fruit, but this is not true. The Bible teaches that with God a thousand years is but one day. Though Adam and Eve lived to be over 900 years old, they both died before the day was done.

This is unnecessary.  The devil did not say.  Hey, you guys won't die on the DAY you eat the fruit, you will die way off in the future."  The devil denied that they would die AT ALL.  They did not have to die on the day that they sinned. On the day that they sinned their mortality was assured, so the statement of the Lord was true, the day they ate thereof, they would surely die, and from that day their mortality was unavoidable.

 First of all you must understand that the stories in the Bible like “Adam and Eve” and “Noah and the flood” are not fairy tales, they are all 100% true.

This is an extremely IRONIC thing for someone to say who is about to flatly deny the story anyone can simply read in Genesis, and substitute a completely different story based on sexual innuendo and great leaps and bounds of willful imagination.

he knows he is about to deny what is written in Genesis, so he is setting up an manipulating the reader into seeing him as a great advocate of the scriptures.

 If God wrote the Bible, and God can never tell a lie, then all of the stories in the Bible must be 100% true!

That is not what the bible says (God did not "Write" the bible):

2 peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

God did not write the bible, He inspired men to do so.

Also the assertion that all the stories must be 100% true is often misconstrued to mean that God cannot use fiction to teach truth such as through Christ's parables.

Adam and Eve, (Eve meaning, “Mother of all living”) were real people. But when Eve was tempted by satan in the garden, some suspect that she was doing a lot more than just eating fruit from a forbidden tree.

Some suspect... In other words, don't believe what you read in Genesis,  believe what "some" suspect.  Should we base our faith on what some dark and nameless figures suspect? And what do they suspect? that Eve was having Sex with Satan....

The bible says that Eve was “beguiled” by satan. The word means to be ‘morally seduced.'

That is incorrect.  I have done a thorough word study on "beguiled" (from 2 Corinthians 10) and this writer is completely wrong.  Does "Expattio!" Really Mean Sexually Seduced?  Or Is Arnold Murray Deceiving Us? I suggest the reader carefully read that article.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand what it means when it says that Eve was seduced by satan. It means that Eve gave in and lost her virginity to the devil.

This is essentially an insult.  Basically if you don't agree with him, you must be pretty stupid.  Because you don't have to be a "rocket scientist" to be smart enough to see it his way.  This is a technique I have often observed Arnold Murray using.  It is a form of power abuse and insult.

When Eve "saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and the devil promised her that she would be like a god; a tree to be desired to make one wise,..." Eve was seduced by "the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life." She became a lover of pleasure, rather than a lover of God! She saw that the tree was good for food “pleasing to the eyes” and desirable to make one wise, so she “partook” of it. She was in the sense of the word seduced and became “obsessed” with this “forbidden fruit.” She could not get enough of it. She had become hooked on all the worldly pleasures of sex, fame, and wealth, that satan had to offer her.

The bible said that the tree looked good for food, and that it grew from the ground, there is nothing about sex in the passage at all.

God tried to warn Adam and Eve to stay away from this tree,

God told them not to eat it, not to stay away from it. God himself planted the tree in the midst of the Garden, it did not grow wild there, HE planted it near the man and the woman.

just like our parent’s try to warn us as teenagers to stay away from, sex, cigarettes, alcohol, credit cards, driving to fast, buying expensive cloths and drugs etc. God didn't want Adam and Eve to grow up too quickly. Just like most parents don't want their children to be having children before they are mature enough to handle it. Eve like the Teenagers of today, could see that these things must be pleasurable and desirable to make one wise concerning what it must feel like, to have and do all these things, which are supposibly bad for us. But the devil will always whisper in your ear saying, “the only reason why your parents tell you to stay away from all these things, is because they don’t want you to “know” what they know. And to have the same kind of fun and experiences in life that they had when they were young.

He is anthropomorphizing God, a very slippery business.  Basically, he is attempting to learn about God by looking at men.  That is not the best way to learn about God, it is a highly questionable approach.

But what could have been this mystical fruit that tempted Adam and Eve so much? The word serpent in the Hebrew "means to hiss, to whisper a magic spell, a divine enchanter." Adam and Eve were told not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The word “eat” means to “partake of.”

This paragraph consists of three topic sentences which are not logically  connected.

Also God uses the word “trees” in many of the parables of the bible to symbolically represent “people”…both human and angelic. Some examples of this would be, Mat. 3:9-10 “And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham for our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. And now also the ax is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree, which brings not forth good fruit, is hewn down and cast into the fire.” Trees are often used as metaphors to symbolically refer to men, angels, or a group of persons. Examples of this would include referring to the nation of Israel as the "olive tree", and Jesus (Yahshua) as the "tree of life", etc.

Yes, tree sometimes symbolize people, but not universally.  And trees are not the only things that represent people.  A rock can be the same thing.  Also the key word is indeed "represent"  Simply because the rock that followed Israel represented Christ symbolically,  that does not mean that the rock was Christ in person, the same thing goes for the tree of the knowledge of Good and evil, it may symbolize something, but that does not mean that it was not really a tree, any more than that rock was really a rock.

Isaiah 61:1-3 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD has anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound. To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn. To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; That they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

Yes, trees can be symbolic of people, but that does not mean that we should go a step to far and say then when the bible mentions trees we should assume that the bible is really talking about people.

TEMPTED BY THE FRUIT OF ANOTHER

When people use the phrase “tempted by the fruit of another,” or “tempted by the forbidden fruit,” this phrase has always since ancient times, been a secrete reference to men and woman being tempted to have sex with someone whom they are not married to.

This is a very misleading thing for this guy to say.  For one, the word "always" is simply not true.  The idea of "forbidden fruit" has reference to any time where we want something that we are disallowed from having.  It refers to the that specific dynamic, it does especially refer to adultery, but not exclusively 

From Wikipedia: Forbidden fruit is a metaphor that describes any object of desire (especially sexual desire) whose appeal results from the knowledge that it should not be obtained.

Where this blogger makes his critical error is that he does not recognize that the metaphor was a LATER DEVELOPMENT.  The metaphor comes from the story of Adam and Eve, but while the metaphor is based on that story, it is entirely illogical to then conclude that the story must be interpreted the same as the metaphor that was derived from it.  At the time of Adam and Eve, the metaphor did not yet exist.

It is completely illogical to say, "After the Garden of Eden, Forbidden fruit became a euphemism for sexual temptation, therefore the forbidden fruit in the Garden, was sexual temptation."  This is the informal logical fallacy called "Post hoc ergo propter hoc" (Latin: "after this, therefore because of this")  You can look that up on Google. 

 Anyway, the

 To say that Eve partook of satan’s forbidden fruit, is just another way of saying that Eve had sexual intercourse with the devil.

He leaps over several grand canyons to get to that point.  For one, the story does not say that Eve at Satan's fruit.  She ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil.  And while one may think that tree "represented Satan" it would be illogical to presume that the tree was a sexually active male incarnation of Satan.  The Rock that followed the Israelites in the wilderness "was Christ." But we would not be so foolish to believe that meant that there was not a real rock there, but rather an incarnation of Christ.

He also skips over the whole issue of whether when Adam "partook of the forbidden fruit" he did so orally, or anally.  If Adam also ate the fruit, he also would have had to have sex with Satan.

There is no mention of Adam "knowing” his wife Eve until after they left the garden. The phrase “he knew her” in the Bible is just a hidden way of saying they had sexual intercourse with each other.

By "hidden way" he means "Euphemism." This point does not seem to have much bearing here.

There is no evidence that Adam had sex or children with Eve before they ate from the forbidden Tree; even despite the fact that they were both living together in a paradise naked.

There is no evidence to say they did not.  This is an argument from silence in either case and therefore we really cannot say for sure.  We do know that God had already told them to go forth and multiply.  They might have seen animals doing it.  How does he know this?

In fact, they both seemed to have a naive, childlike innocence when it came to knowing anything at all about evil or sex.

Animals are also naive and have no moral concept of good and evil.  I find it objectionable that he would put "evil" and "sex" in the same context like that.  There is nothing Evil about Sex, and there was no sex with the Devil either.  God never even gave them any other sexual commandment than "multiply."

It is quite obvious that God most of given Adam and Eve beautiful bodies when they were created, and they were not ashamed of their nakedness. But suddenly after partaking of the forbidden tree they were ashamed of their body parts. Why would they suddenly be ashamed of their naked bodies if all they had done was eat a piece of fruit?

There is a certain willful disregard of the biblical text going on here.  The bible says quite clearly that when they ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that "their eyes were opened"  exactly according to what the serpent said.  They suddenly knew they were naked.  Disobedience was the sin. But the knowledge of Good and Evil made them AWARE of themselves, for good and evil, and they desired to hide.

The fact that they hid from God after partaking of the forbidden tree and now felt ashamed of their body parts, indicates to me that they had done something wrong, and had lost their sexual innocence.

One does not need to do something sexual to want to hide one's body parts. That is an unreasonable line of thought. We do not see people running naked though the streets only covering their genitals after they have had sex.  Without having obtained the knowledge of Good and Evil, Adam and eve would not have even know there was anything wrong with having sex with the Devil.

Perhaps Eve matured a little faster than Adam, and became interested in sex first, who knows!

That exclamation point makes that sentence seem a little too excited.  It seems like a really weird comment to make.  It seems like something this guy should have had enough sense to keep to himself.

These factors seem to indicate that the "forbidden tree" and its secrete knowledge about something that is both "good and evil," had something to do with sex.

The sex aspect just isn't there.  It is being forced on the text by perverted minds. For a more complete study of the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil I recommend my study in Genesis 2 and 3

Since the beginning of mans creation, sex has been used for both good and evil purposes, for Money, Bribery, Slavery, Prostitution, Adultery, Abortion, Satanic religious sacrifices, and to selling everything from cars to trojans, to the $20 billion dollar a year Porn industry. Great evil has come from the misuse of this "knowledge".

So all that the knowledge of Good and Evil comes down to, for this guy, is sex?  What a completely barren and desolate understanding he has of that tree and the true implications of the garden.  Again I recommend my study in Genesis 2 and 3

So this brings us back to one of the most earth shattering stories of all times; that “Eve lost her virginity to Lucifer.” God said, “I will put enmity which means (mutual hatred),between thee and the woman and between thy seed and her seed.” I will put hatred between satan’s children and God's children. It shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise His heel. Clearly we can see that satan has a seed. If Jesus Christ came from the seed of God, then Cain came from the seed of satan.

One Must not forget, that Every child that Came out of Eve's womb, was her seed.  We are all her seed,  Even if Satan had impregnated Eve, the child would still be "her seed"  What these Carnal Serpent Seed advocates seem to miss about Genesis 3:15 is the fact that the enmity is between the Woman's seed and the Serpent's seed, but they really need this to be between Adam's seed and the Serpent's seed.  This GLARING incongruity alone completely undermines the basis on which they interpret genesis 3:15 and Again I recommend my extensive work The Seed of the Serpent in which I cover Genesis 3:15 in detail.

Satan's seed is a Spiritual seed.  That is the only way in which this passage may be logically interpreted.  Satan's seed are the lies he tells that lead us to sin.  And if that seed is not rooted out and the seed of God substituted, the fruit which it will bear will be death.

SATAN HAS CHILDREN HERE ON EARTH, and the devil doesn’t want us to know about it, or believe that he even exists, or to find out that his evil descendants are in control of the World. Anyone who doesn’t understand this simply hasn’t the slightest idea what is going on in the world today!

Again, the writer makes a jab at us.  He is insulting us for not being up to speed like he is.  It is a very brutish form of argumentation.  Arnold Murray used to employ the exact same manipulative and abusive patterns of speech.

THE DESCENDANTS OF CAIN HAVE LUCIFER AS THEIR FATHER

The Illuminati and Freemasons believe that they are the descendants of Cain, and that Lucifer is their father.

And why believe the bible when you can listen to the Illuminati?  I never, ever, take my cues from the enemy.  And whatever happened to that big secret?

That's why the 13 Illuminati families of today, in-breed and pay close attention to their genealogies and don't marry outsiders. They want to keep their Luciferian bloodlines intact.

No idea what he is talking about.  I'm proud to say I couldn't care less what the Illuminati are doing.

But why do most Christian denominations deny that Eve had sex with the Devil, and that the Serpent’s Seedline exists??

I don't know that most "deny" it.  They have simply never heard tell of such a thing.  They can't read about it in their bibles, that's for sure.  It is one of those itching ears doctrines you can only pick up from teachers who have allowed the enemy to influence them.

And why do the Zionist, the Fake Jews of Israel, “The Synagogue of Satan” try to keep this hidden as well? Because THEY don't want YOU to know WHO THEY REALLY ARE! Lucifer’s Children!

This guy is very much in line with Arnold Murray's teachings (but not on TV), notice he does not make any allowance that the people living in the nation of Israel are anything but the descendants of the Devil.

Yet if you take the time to look, you can find it revealed in their literature and publications.

I suppose he must be referring to the fraudulent "Protocols of the Learned Elders"  That book was not written by Jews, it is a fraud.

The Illuminati Banksters plan and execute their evil diabolical agenda through secret societies like the Masons, Bilderbergers, the CFR, IMF, World Bank, Skull and Bones, Jesuit Order etc.

The next part of that paragraph is puzzling.

The Serpent Seed "SS" doctrine has never produced anything good, only hate, Genocide, death and destruction. Hitler’s Nazi "SS" Doctrines believe in a superior Aryan race of blonde hair blue eyed people. When 200 of Satan’s angels descended form heaven and had sex with the earthly women, they were describe as being very handsome men, with blonde hair and blue eyes.

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Before Adam even had a chance to consummate his relationship with Eve, she was already pregnant with Lucifer's child, “Cain.” And that is what satan’s children, the Illuminati bloodlines of the New World Order don't want you to find out about. They are the seed of the wicked one. And it is this evil bloodline of Cain’s that is working feverishly behind the scene’s to gain the ownership and control of all the World’s wealth. They want to control all the governments, banks, stock markets, corporations, media, natural resources and religions around the world, to bring about the total domination of the Antichrist. No one will be able to buy or sell unless they have the Mark of the Beast.

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The word "seed" in the Hebrew is "zimah", and in the Greek it is "sperma". In the English we call it "sperm",

Actually, in the English we call it SEED. 

and in the Strong's Hebrew Dictionary # 2233; the definition for this word is "Seed, Posterity, Offspring, children, fruit". The meaning of this word could not be any clearer.

 In most contexts, it just means seed.  The way we interpret the word had to be governed by the context in which we find the word. 

The word 'seed' in the Bible means offspring, check the Strong's Concordance. In Genesis 9:8+9 God spoke to Noah and his sons, saying; And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you. In Gen 15:3 Abraham said to God, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. So we can see clearly that the word 'seed' refers to offspring.

This is a selective use of evidence. Sometimes a seed is just a seed.  The Sperm obsession is a bit overdone.  We take our medical term for the male issue from the Greek word for seed.  This arbitrary fact is the cause of far too much elbowing to the ribs among those who see sex behind every touch and taste.

Satan beguiled Eve, and the Lord as punishment put enmity, hatred, warfare, between these two different seeds or bloodlines. This is proof that the Devil and Eve had sex together. How else could satan have seed, offspring, children on earth, if it were not through Eve?

That was my point before, that all of Eve's children were her seed, and therefore, in a carnal sense, it would be impossible for a carnal seed of the devil not to also be the seed of the woman, and in that case, who would the enmity be with?

What better way to destroy God's perfect creation.

This is referring to their idea that the purpose here was to pollute the creation with an evil seed line.

How much more clearer could God make it, when He says that He is going to put enmity betweenSatan's Seed and theWoman's Seed, that Satan has his own OFFSPRING, DESCENDANTS, POSTERITY AND

CHILDRENHEAR ON EARTHTODAY? How could God put enmitybetween thetwo seedlinesif they didn't exist.

He is suggesting that his interpretation is the only possible interpretation and therefo0re must be accepted.  If the seed of the Serpent is spiritual, we find much greater harmony with all the scriptures and do not need to resort to informal fallacy after informal fallacy.

 When God's Holy Spirit come upon Mary, and the power of the Most High overshadow her, she conceived and the baby Jesus began to grow in side her; and God's pure blood began to flow in the body of Jesus.

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We know that the blood type always comes from the father’s seed and not the mothers.

It is astonishing that in the age of the internet this writer would dare to write such an instantly refutable untruth like this.  This is simply not true.  Blood type inheritance is not a sex-linked trait.

So the blood that was in Jesus, was the same blood that was in Adam and Able; the pure sinless blood of God the Father who is in heaven. But the bloodline of Cain and Able was not the same. Cain had the evil blood that originated from his father who was satan not Adam.

The very idea that there is such a thing as "evil Blood" is an unchristian idea.  This is not a Christian doctrine.

In John chapter 3 there is a story about a man named Nicodemus a ruler of the Jews, who was a Pharisee who believed like many of his fellow Jews that since he was born a Jew and kept God’s Commandments that he would be allowed to enter into the kingdom of God. However, Jesus explains that being born a Jew is not enough.

Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly I say to you, if not some one be begotten from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God." Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be begotten when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?" Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is begotten of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born out of the Spirit is spirit. "Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' "The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit."

Jesus came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name; Which were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

 Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil; whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

He just quoted a bunch of verses and I really can't tell what he meant by them.

SATAN'S FALLEN ANGLES HAD SEX WITH THE DAUGHTERS OF MEN, AND THEY GAVE BIRTH TO GIANTS

Off on another tangent... I am going to almost completely skip this section

Some say that this could have never happened because the Angles can't have children. But the Bible makes it perfectly clear that the fallen angles had sex with the women on earth and gave birth to blood thirsty giants. (Genesis 6:4:) "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons (angles) of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown."In other wards, just as the fallen angels had literal children on earth through their union with the daughters of men, in like manner Satan had descendants here on earth by having sex with Eve.

Between God’s (Jesus Christ’s) bloodline, and Satan’s bloodline there would now be hatred and warfare between these two forces of good and evil, until the end of time. The Serpent (satan) could now create a "new" supper race of humans made in his own "image and likeness," and with this army of his evil children he would try to totally destroy God's children. The whole story of bloodshed in bible from Genesis to Revelation can be traced to the hatred and the on going struggle between these two seedlines!!! The reason for the flood of Noah Gen 6:6 and the commandment from God for the children of Israel to kill every man, woman and child in the promised land, which they failed to do! The money changers who had taken control over God's Holy temple, were all of satan's seed... and still are today!!!

The whole world becomes so desperately wicked because of satan's blood running through their veins, that God has to destroy it and start over. Noah was of the pure bloodline of Adam, and the Bible says that he was a righteous man. (Gen.5:28-29) But one of his sons Ham had rebelled against his parents and married a girl who was a Canaanite, a descendent of Cain, a woman of mixed blood named Egyptus. Now all of satans bloodline were destroyed in the Flood, except for Ham's wife Egyptus. (Gen. 6:8,18) Shortly after the Flood the serpent’s evil nature began to manifest itself in Noah’s son, “Ham.” and he ends up being cursed and banished by his father Noah when he sees his father’s nakedness.

The sons of Ham and his wife Egyptus were Canaan, Mizraim, Cush, and Phut; all of them settled in what is now known as Egypt and Sudan, except for Canaan who settled in Palestine. And we are told clearly that Ham's son Canaan was cursed also and His descendants were the ones who inhabited the promised land, which the children of Israel ultimately expelled from the land."And there were giants [“Nephilim,” “the fallen ones”] in the earth in those days; BEFORE the flood and also AFTER that, (after the flood); when the sons (angles) of God came in unto the daughters of men and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." Gen 6:4

If for some reason you still believe that Cain was Adam's son, he was not. Cain was a murderer from the very beginning, just like his Father the Devil.

Christ said that the Devil was a Murderer from he beginning.  So this is being misapplied to Cain. The question is not "Who was the first murderer?"  The point is that the Lord was making was that the Devil was a murderer from the beginning.

Adam came from God’s bloodline, and you will not find Cain mentioned at all there.

This is not true.  Genesis 4:1 in very plain terms indicates that the cause of Cain's conception was the union of Adam and Eve.

You will find Cains genealogy listed completely separately!

This is a Red Herring.  Cain's genealogy is given separately from Seth's.  But Adam is in Cain's Genealogy.

The proof is in Luke chapter 3:23to38 where it traces Jesus’ bloodline back to God. “Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the Son of God.”

This is another Red Herring, We would not expect to see anyone in Christ's genealogy who was not a direct ancestor of Christ. 

ADAM AND EVE SEWED FIG LEAVES TOGETHER TO COVER THEIR PRIVATE PARTS

I'll pick up here again and comment if I feel it warrants it.

Remember when Adam and Eve hid from God, they sewed fig leaves together to cover their private parts. Fig leaves in the Bible are a symbol for sin.

Fig leaves are a symbol for sin?  How about some supporting evidence?   So they covered their sin with sin? 

Adam and Eve had been living naked in the garden and previously unashamed, suddenly after partaking of the forbidden fruit, they lost their child like innocence and had to hide themselves and their private parts from God, because they were ashamed of what they had done, ashamed of what?

The bible says why they hid themselves.  One has to intentionally avoid the biblical explanation to seek another.  They were ashamed because their eyes were opened and now they KNEW they were naked.  Their nakedness had taken on a new significance.

Why would they suddenly be ashamed of their perfectly made bodies if all they had done was eat a piece of fruit? Why, if not for the fact that the first sin had something to do with sexual immorality.

Because that was not what they did.  Their shame had nothing to do with eating a piece of fruit.  Their shame was the result of new knowledge.  Also it bears repeating that their sin was not "fruit eating" but disobedience.  Those who believe in this interpretation fail to understand the completely arbitrary nature of some sins.  The fact that God say "THOU SHALT NOT" is not good enough for them.  In their mind there has to be some sort of justification beyond the commandment of God.  They had to do something "worse" than disobey.  I suppose disobedience just does not seem serious enough for them.

 The fact that Eve's punishment had everything to do with having sex and children, makes it obvious that her sin and punishment had something to do with their sexual immorality.

That argument might seem not half bad, but consider Adam's punishment:  the ground would no longer produce for him the way it had.  What's that got to do with sex?  The punishments do not seem to reflect the nature of the sin.

And the the fact that both Adam and Eve cover their private parts after they had sinned leads us to suspect that these were the parts of the body that they had sinned with.

But one must ask if that is truly reasonable in light of the actual biblical account.

Does this mean that all sex is sinful? Of course not, God told Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply. On the contrary once we are married making love and conceiving children is one of the most miraculous and heavenly experiences that a man and woman could ever experience together. What is sinful is having sex outside of marriage.

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The first crime or “original sin” was the adulterous and illicit sexual relationship, and secrete love affair between Eve and the archangel Lucifer.

This is not true.  If we don't get the real story straight we run the risk of misunderstanding the true nature of sin.  What this kind of belief does is create a model of sin that is overly complex.  It is no marvel when you consider how easily Christians overlook their minor little disobediences , but never fail to be righteously indignant over the sexual problems many suffer under.  Instead of the first sin being simple, it becomes grotesque and highly irregular. Something nearly impossible to repeat, as opposed to disobedience, which men repeat daily,

God commanded Adam and Eve not to eat of the forbidden fruit, just as he has told us not to have sex before marriage, which is called Fornication or sex with someone after we are marriage which is Adultery.

But he does not acknowledge that Adam and Eve did not know anything about fornication or adultery, and being innocent would have no conscience of such acts.  The idea that Satan could have snuck in under God's nose and have sex with the first couple is just unworkable on many levels.

Most people are not aware of the fact, that the Bible says that no homosexual, fornicator, or Adulterer will enter the gates of heaven.

I Corinthians 6: 9+10. “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind. Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners shall inherit the kingdom of God."

Do you know that the bible says that if you lust after another woman desiring to have sex with her, that it’s as bad as if you did it! It’s obvious that after sinning, Adam and Eve needed a savior to get them into heaven, and so do we! For all of us have sinned and come short of the glory of God, and the penalty of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. The only way to get into heaven is through Jesus Christ. Jesus says “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father but by Me! John 14:6

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Another key indication that Adam and Eve’s original sin was immorality, is that God's "sign" for his redeemed people (The Jews), is circumcision. Isn't it strange that the symbol that is used to show that the Jews have become God's chosen people, is that the excess skin (which represents the sins of the flesh) around the male sexual organ has been removed. This is symbolic of a child of God having put away immorality and the things of the flesh, a spiritual cleansing or restoration of the sexual purity of man. "Put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfill the lusts thereof."

I would not call that a key indicator.  The sin in the garden had it's fleshly components, but there is no evidence to support the idea that the entire story is not what it seems to be but rather some sort of hidden message about sex.

So then if this “forbidden fruit” was Eve having immoral sex with the devil, then Adam must have been a homosexual, because Adam partook of the 'forbidden fruit as well.’ No, that’s not true! If you know anything about Satan you know that he is a heavenly being, and is describe in the Bible as the most beautiful angle of all, with beautiful music coming out of his wings. In addition to this, he possessed great supernatural powers, thus he could appear to both Adam and Eve as two different entities. Satan possesses the power to transform himself into anything that he wants too.

Ok so he gets around the point about Adam and the Devil by making the Devil take one for the team making him the first transgender being.  The idea that the Devil, that proud Angel, bent on domination, would take on the passive role in sex is pretty much unbelievable to me.

It is also worth noting that this whole idea is just something they make up as a cover.  There is no evidence for this.

There are several stories in the Bible of angles appearing as every day people.

Never as female.

Satan is often refer to in the Bible as the “Whore of Babylon which is always depicted as a very beautiful woman”

This is a deceptive misuse of prophetic symbolism.  The Great whore is the one who worships Satan, his queen.  Satan is not the queen of Babylon, but the king.

 he can seduce both men and women into committing sin.

There is a much broader spectrum of sin than sexual sins.

 Eve partook of the “Forbidden Fruit” and she introduced Adam to Satan’s forbidden fruits as well. But notice that the artist that carved this sculpture depicts the devil as a woman, at the moment when Eve introduces Adam to the forbidden fruit.

On the Website there must have been a picture of a sculpture or something.  This is not biblical evidence. 

But in the New Testament we find another piece of the story that was not reviled in Genesis.

ADAM WAS NOT DECEIVED, BUT THE WOMAN WAS QUITE DECEIVED

"For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.” 1 Timothy 2:13+14

Adam understood that Eve had transgressed the number one command of God, and had totally disregarded the only prohibition that God had placed upon them as a test of their fidelity and love.

God was not testing Adam and Eve's love and fidelity.  God knows what he makes and does not need to test it.  This kind of thinking leads to many errors.  God knew what would happen.  What was done was done that things might proceed according to God's plans.

There was a terrible turmoil and struggle going on in Adam’s heart. He blamed himself for having permitted Eve to wander from his side. But now it was to late, the evil deed had been Consummated; and he must be separated from her forever, whose love and companionship had been his great joy. Eve was a part of himself, and he could not endure the thought of loosing her.

Interesting that this guy thinks he knows what was going on in Adam's mind.  I always consider that level of speculation to be evidence of a complete irreverence for the written word and a substitution of a reverence for what seems right in the eyes of the man.

Adam knew that if Eve were to be cast out of the garden into the wilderness alone that she would suffer greatly and most likely perish. So he resolved to share her fate, so he also partook of the forbidden fruit.

Or maybe he just wanted to have the knowledge of Good and Evil too.  Or maybe he did not know what fruit Eve was giving him.  Adam's end of the transaction is somewhat mysterious.

If Eve must die, he would die with her. As a result of his self sacrifice Adam becomes Eve’s savior, a “type of Christ,” ADAM IS THE FIGURE (a pattern or type) OF HIM THAT WAS TO COME"— Romans 5:12-14. And now Eve had a much greater love for Adam, more than ever before.

What the writer fails to tell us is that the way in which Adam was a figure of Christ was by being a negative image. 

Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Adam was not Eve's "savior"  I've never even heard this hypothesis before.  Let's not forget that Adam's self-sacrifice, according to this dude, was having sex with a very attractive angel.

If it's true that God knows all things before they happen, then God must have known ahead of time that Eve would fall into temptation, and that Adam would be place in a position where he would have to make a choice of either obeying and following God or the woman, and that he would chose the woman. Does this mean that everything that a woman gets a man to buy and do for her is wrong, or that having sex and raising a family is a bad thing? The obvious answer to this question is no.

I never even thought of the question...

But God makes it perfectly clear that "No man has the power to serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye have not the power to serve God and money."

I'm at a loss to figure out why this digression is coming in here.  I guess he thinks there is a conflict between serving God and having a family.  I suppose that might be in some cases...

"Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are ye not much better than they? Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature? And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin: And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is and tomorrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?

Therefore take no thought, saying What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithall shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek;) For your heavenly Father knows that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof."

Matthew 6, Ladies and gentlemen.

Genesis 3:22 to24 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever: Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed as the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

That's the end of the chapter.  Some commentary might be warranted just there.

THE SERPENT BEGUILED EVE

The story of Adam and Eve is a metaphor that God uses throughout the Bible.

So we go from "this story is 100% REAL!" to "This story is a Metaphor!"  I don't totally disagree with the idea that the Story in the garden has metaphorical and allegorical applications.

The Church who is the pure virgin bride to be of Jesus Christ, just like Eve was to be the bride for Adam, has fallen into temptation and committed fornication with the devil; leading a life of a harlot by having intimate relationships with Satan and his many false prophets and religions. This was the problem Paul faced with the early Christians in the Corinthian church.

We are the metaphor in that case.  Not Eve.  We are the metaphorical woman and our unfaithfulness comes in the form of disobedience to Christ.  Eve was a real woman who disobeyed, that is not the metaphorical aspect of the story, I direct the reader again to my studies in Genesis

In 2 Cor 11:2-3 the Apostle Paul seems to state as a fact, or at least implies that Eve was not a chaste virgin at the time Adam first had relations with her. In a letter he writes to the Corinthians reprimanding them for their impropriety he says; “For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.”

Notice that the Apostle is talking about a mental seduction.  The sexual aspects of this are purely metaphorical. 

Eve was engaged to her husband to be Adam, as a pure and "chaste virgin" before she was beguiled by satain.

Her sin was against God, not against Adam.  her mind was corrupted from the simplicity of God's command.

Paul alludes to the fact that Eve had lost her virginity after being cleverly seduced by the devil;

That is not what Paul was saying.

and he feared lest by any means the serpent could deceive other Christians with all of his hoopla, legalistic man made laws, repetitive prayers, and religious ritualism, from following the freedom and simplicity that is in Christ.

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When the early Christians were first saved, (espoused to Jesus Christ), their righteous deeds of love and charity toward the poor, were well know though out the whole world. They gave liberally beyond measure to all those who were in need, and like an innocent “young maiden,” the young Christians desired to help others, and to share their contagious love with the rest of the world.

But Paul was afraid that the early Christian Church like Eve might end up loosing her original purity, innocence and zeal, through the charisma of these many Charismatic preachers who were wolves in sheep's clothing; Casanovas, illicit lovers, who are out to steal all her spare time, love, and money for their own enrichment and pleasure.

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"Eve tries to become the spokesperson for the couple, and during her talks with the serpent she presents several theological arguments.

Theological arguments?

"Yet Adam was not deceived by the devils false teachings, but the woman ends up being quite deceived and is lead astray." It is for this reason that God does not allow a women to teach in the Church, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to learn in silence with all subjection. Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if possible even the elect. 1John 2:26 These [things] have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron. (1 Timothy 4:1+2)

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As newly born Christians, we are described in the Bible as being a (new creation) like Eve, if we start to fall for the tricks of the devil, by following all these false Prophets, Old Testament laws of Tithing, man made prayers, holidays, and religious rituals, and numerous false teachings and doctrines of the devil’s messengers, we will be doomed.

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It was not long after Jesus ascended into heaven, that many of highly esteemed leaders of the New Testament Church like Peter, James and John, started to fall back into the religious Pomp, Ritualism, and Legalism of the Jews.

That charge is unfounded.

It is understandable that since most of the Apostles were Jews, and they were trying to convert the Jews to Christianity, that they would try to convince the Jews that they were both worshiping the same God by adopting some of the same religious ceremonies. This strategy was also used in their efforts toward converting the Gentiles, which worshiped their many pagan gods. And eventually you get the Christian religion that we have today, which is really a mixture of the Jewish, Christian, and Pagan religions.

I suggest the reader listen to my studies in Acts.  The situation was one of unfolding revelation.  The Apostles were not "falling back" into anything.  This is a gross mischaracterization.  Jesus had been living as a completely obedient Jew. 

WOLVES DRESSED IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING

Aka Paul

Aka Paul is Emailer #214's only contribution to the discussion.

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From: Email #214

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:26 PM

Subject: Con't from the serpent's seed is Cain...

WOLVES DRESSED IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING

clothing, who preach the Word of God but are typically always asking for money. Some will say, well if these false teachers are preaching the word of God, they can’t be all that bad! But they are.

One of the most clever wolves of all time, Arnold Murray, managed to deny that he begged, while still having his hand out constantly. Neat trick.

You can preach the Bible until you're blue in the face. But if you don’t have the Holy Spirit dwelling inside you, you are only going to be leading the people and yourself into hell.

I think that is a bit off-base.  You might be leading yourself and those that hear you to receive the Holy Spirit.

 People don’t only need to be saved, but they need to be nurtured like newborn babies, and to be lead down the right path.

He has it backwards.  We don't only need to be nurtured like newborn babes, we need to be saved.

Millions of people are lead to Jesus Christ every year but they are than left on the side of the road like an abandon child, and if they can’t learn to fend for themselves they slowly wither away and die.

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Did you know that over 43,000 pastors and ministers from every denomination have been initiated into the Freemasons? Almost 99% of the "mega church" pastors are Masons! The Trinity Broadcasting Network is run by the Masons! Almost all of the Southern Baptist and Pentecostal preachers and pastors are masons! The masons worship Lucifer as the God of Light! As God! Their loyalty is to LUCIFER! Would you really continue to support these wolves every Sunday, if your eyes were opened to the truth? No, of course you wouldn’t. Satan is taking control of the Churches and coming to power as Bible prophesied in the Book of Revelation! All because the people are DEAF and BLIND to what’s really going on.

I wonder if this is all actually true.  Doubt it.  As I often say, obsession with the enemy is a bad strategy.  I don't worry so much about what the enemy is doing as I concern myself with what I plan on doing to the enemy.

Look at America today, who do you think is running our government? It doesn’t matter if you are a Demarcate or a Republican, the presidential candidates that receive the most money and support are related to one another, and are all members of the CFR which is the American branch of the Illuminati, the royal bloodline of satan. It is from the top of the Illuminati pyramid, that the "thrones of the chief demons rule," and ALL THE KINGS OF THE NATIONS ARE CONTROLLED BY! I will go deeper into this subject of the royal bloodline of satan in another chapter.

So, in his mind,  this is actually a related subject. 

Many Christians might find it hard to believe that the evil descendents of the bloodline of satan, have infiltrated their way into the highest positions of our banks, corporations, government, Churches, and Schools. But people are starting to becoming a little more concerned about what the ramifications of all this might mean for them, the future of our country and for the survival of human race, if this doctrine is true!

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Jesus described these men as being deadly vipers, Son’s of the devil. These men are often considered honorable and highly respected among their piers, but these are the ones who have stolen the gold, land and natural resources, continuing the endless wars and genocide, murdering millions of innocent people for their own profit, leaving Christ suffering and hanging on the cross throughout all the generations. These are the ones who murdered Jesus Christ and have stolen the food out of the mouths of the poor, the wealthy aristocrats who would not even lift a finger to help anyone but themselves.

It is interesting that he readily sees the marks of Satan's seed in terms of their actual behavior, yet still insists that this is somehow a genetically inherited trait.

 “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” Gal. 1:8

The Bible warns us that satan’s demons are constantly working every day to pass corrupt laws, which involves bribes, blackmail and fraud; to take away the American peoples Constitutional and God given Natural Rights, and to water down, and pervert the Holy Scriptures. This is why I am convinced that our leaders don’t want the people to know that satan’s bloodline exist and that they have taken control of all the worlds wealth, religions, courts, and governments.

Honestly, I would apply the verse quoted above to this guy. He is the one preaching another Gospel here.  The gospel of America the Great.  The good news of the constitution.  I love my country, but I do not see the connection between assaults on American laws and freedoms and the Gospel, that is unless you think the Gospel is American law and freedom.

“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.” Eph. 6:12

Wow, He had just mentioned "SATAN's BLOODLINE" and then Goes and quotes Ephesians 6 "We wrestle not against flesh and blood."  We have a major mental disconnect here.

YOU SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR FRUITS

The Apostle Paul was greatly concerned that the Christian Church would soon lose their zeal, kindness, and the child like Faith and innocents that they once had when they first got saved, by wasting all their time and money playing church, and observing the numerous religious rituals and services of the devil. II Corinthians 11: "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.” Paul goes on to say something to the effect, that if I came preaching another kind of Jesus, whom we have not preached before. Or if we started to preach about the gifts of the spirit, which you had not received, or another gospel, which you had not accepted as yet, you would have received me with open arms. But since I tell you the truth, you don’t want to hear it. These men that you are following are nothing but thieves and robbers.

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I have preached to you the gospel of God freely. I robbed other churches taking wages from them to serve you. And when I was present with you, and wanted, I was chargeable to no man: for that which was lacking to me the brethren that came from Macedonia supplied; and in all things I have kept myself from being burdensome unto you, and so will I keep myself. “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into and angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

"But when he (John the Baptist) saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O GENERATION (offspring) OF VIPERS, who has warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits worthy for repentance.

He didn't comment, so I won't either.

IT IS GOOD FOR A MAN NOT TO TOUCH A WOMAN

Paul goes on to says, "It is good for a man not to touch a woman." What he is really saying is, It is good for a man not to have sexual intercourse with a woman. Not to “touch a woman” or not to touch “the forbidden fruit,” has the same hidden meaning!

In the context of Genesis 3 the word touch had no sexual connotation.  This is the case with most of the uses of the word touch in Hebrew.  The euphemism is only invoked if the context warrants it.

Paul says: "I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I, But if they cannot contain, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn.” The Hebrew word "touch" in the Strong's is נגע nâga‛ naw-gah' #5060 which includes the meaning of 'to lie with a woman' (as in Gen. 20:6 - 'therefore suffered I thee not to touch her'.) This word has a double meaning, with sexual implications attached to it.

Again, the word does not have a sexual meaning outside of a sexual context.

To sum up what Paul is saying, I fear lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve causing her to lose her virginity. The serpent might also seduce us as Christians causing us to lose our spiritual virginity because of becoming involved in fornication or an Adulterous relationship. This is why he says that if you can not contain yourself, it is better to marry than to burn!

The last sentence seems jarringly out of place.

Parable of the Ten Virgins.

There is a parable in Matthew chapter 25 called the “Ten Virgins” where God reveals to us, which Christians will get into heaven and which ones will not.

"Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish. Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them, but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight a cry was heard: 'Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!' Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.' But the wise answered, saying, 'No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.'

And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, And those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut. Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open to us!' But he answered and said, 'Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.' Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.

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The Bible often uses a woman as a symbol of the Lord's church. "Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave Himself for her." Here, the relationship between a husband and wife is compared to the intimate relationship between Jesus (the bridegroom) and His bride. The delay of the bridegroom represents the period of time between his first and Second Coming. Jesus is coming back to be married to His bride the Church, and to live with her in heaven, happily ever after.

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not filled with the Holy Spirit, you can not enter the gates of heaven.

The apostle Paul issued an imperative command when he said, “Be filled with the Spirit” (Eph. 5:18). “If any man have not the spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” (Rom. 8:9)

I wonder if this fragment is the result of a faulty cut-and-paste job by emailer #214 or if it si just the result of poor proofreading by the original author.

John 3: 3to7. “Jesus answered and said unto him, Truly, truly, I say unto thee, except a man be born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus said to Him, how can a man be born when he is old; can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to thee, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I say to thee, Ye must be born from above.

Matt. 5:16 “Let your light so shine before man, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

“We know how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.” (Acts. 10:38)

“Now he which established us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, is God; Who has also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.” (2 Corinthians 1: 21+22)

I do not see the relevance of those quotes.

In this parable we have 10 women who represent all of God's people. Ten is the number of completeness, and is frequently used in Scripture symbolically to represent a large, number of people. And each of these 10 virgins have a lamp. The lamp represents the Bible, the Word of God.“Thy Word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.” (Psalm 119:105) The 10 virgins represent (all the different Christian denominations) that have the (Bible) the Word of God. And they are all preaching and teaching the Bible to justify their own particular beliefs. But having the Bible the lamp by itself is useless with out the oil, (the Holy Spirit). Having the Holy Spirit is the key to unlocking what the Bible really means. So all the different denominations may have the Word of God, but they don’t have the True Gospel, they can’t find the right path that leads to heaven.

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blind leads the blind, they will both fall into the pit.” Matt: 15:14

For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led by them are destroyed! (swallowed up). (Isa: 9:16).

If we continue to allow ourselves to be exploited by these corrupt, bankers, politicians, and preachers, they are going to lead us to total destruction, until every cent that we have has been eaten up.

Hey, you can't serve God and Mammon.

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for ye pay tithes of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy and faith. These ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. (Matt: 23: 23+24)

Thousands of preachers will preach about Tithing; and they will lie to the people telling them that they should bring all their spare money and give it to the Church. Satan has taken his seat in God’s house. 90% of the money that goes into the collection plate, gets eaten up by the expenses of running the Church. Only 10% goes to missions, and of the 10% that goes to missions, 9% goes to supporting the missionaries, and only 1% ever reaches the mouths of the poor. You will never hear a church preacher tell the Christians in their congregation that they should give all their spare time and money directly toward helping the poor and needy. But if you do not do this, you will never be filled with the Holly Spirit, and you will never be allowed to enter into the gates of heaven. As Born Again Christians we are no longer under the Old Testament laws of Tithing. We are free! And by our good deeds and mercies that we show to other people, we are the only one's really keeping the Old Testament law of Tithing by giving 10% of our income directly toward feeding the helping the poor.

I'm guessing that the presence in the world of sin and sinful men is further proof that Satan had sex with Eve in the garden.

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction and there are many that go therein. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and few there be that find it.” Matt: 7:13+14

“Dear children, this is the last hour, and as you have heard that the antichrist shall come, even now there are many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last hour… But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. I have not written to you because you no not the truth, but because you do know it, and that no lie comes from the truth. Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ. He is the antichrist that denies the Son, the same has not the Father… But these things I have written to you concerning them that want to SEDUCE you. But the anointing which you have received of Him abides in you, and you need not that any man teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you of all things and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it has taught you, ye shall abide in him.”

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In the many different types of Christian faiths, the false preachers and teachers of the antichrist are abundant. But those who have truly been born again and have been anointed with the oil of the Holy Spirit, can tell when a pastor is preaching something that is not true, because the Spirit of Christ and the conscience inside them tells them so. The Holy Spirit teaches us, and He keeps us from being lead astray by false preachers who are often professional con artist. So if we want to see clearly we need to have the Holy Spirit living inside us to teach us what the Bible really means, and to show us the true way to heaven.

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God writes in Parables and without a Parable He does not write! Truth did not come into the world naked, but it was reveled to us by God in types and images.

He is saying that Genesis and everything in the bible has hidden meanings like a parable.  In that case, all the actual stories would actually be made-up fiction hiding "the real truth."

The world can not receive truth in any other way.

Honestly, it does not sound to me like a formula by which the world is supposed to receive truth.  This makes no sense.

God teaches in parables and without a parable He does not teach. "All these things spoke Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spoke he not unto them. That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world." (Matthew 13:34-35).

The extrapolation from Christ's speaking to the multitudes in parables to the idea that all the bible is really just a parable is not really correct.

The parables did illustrate though the hidden nature of God's word, but it is not hiding always in a parable.  Sometimes it is hidden by our blindness to what is plainly written.

Jesus use things in nature to teach us spiritual truths. God says that everything in the universe around us teaches us something about God. And the secret truth about what happened to Adam and Eve in the Garden is no exception.

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How to get more of the Holy Spirit.

How do you get the Holy Spirit to live inside you? Jesus tells us in John 14:15 If you love me, you will obey what I command, And I will ask the Father and He will give you another Councilor, that He may abide with you forever. Jesus has commanded us to sell everything we have and give it to the poor, and come follow in His foot steps. And to love our neighbor as we love ourselves. And to care about our neighbors as we care about ourselves. If we truly believed that Jesus Christ is God, and that He is telling us what we must do to get into heaven, we sould start to do the good deeds that God has told us to do, and we will receive more of the Holy Spirit. "He that is of God hears God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.”

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Often when Jesus would speak to large crowds of people, many religious people would separate themselves from Him, because the things he was saying were so radical, and difficult to accept. This is because they were not true Believers and they had their own brand of religion Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Muslims, etc. that worshiped other gods.

There were no Muslims in the first century.

The Jews worshiped God the Father, and they could not see that Jesus Christ was God's Son, and the promised Messiah that was prophesied about in the Old Testament. That Jesus like His Father was "Almighty God" the great "I AM" who created the heavens and the earth. And that it was Jesus Christ the Angel (the messenger) of the LORD that spoke to Moses in the burning bush! And that God like Moses had come to save His people from a life of slavery to the devil.

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In John 1:10to13 it says; "He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. but as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."

Jesus made it clear that many people were not able to receive Him and the anointing of the Holy Spirit, because they wanted to live their lives their own way, and were not willing to give up their lives, possessions and religious traditions that had been handed down to them for hundreds of years. They preferred follow their many false gods and other religions, and pluged their ears and don't want to hear or understand the Word's of God, because it exposes the corruption of their organizations. They only believe the lies that their charismatic leaders tell them. They know what the Bible says, and that you can not buy your way into heaven with their many Tithes and donations to the church, but they prefer being "Seduced" by their many lovers "Con-men", and following the satanic system of power that comes down from heaven like lightning, with it's many signs and wonders, from their “father the devil and his fallen angles.”

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This story about the Ten virgins is a warning not to the atheists or the unbelievers, but for all the Christians who are waiting for Jesus’ to return thinking that they are going to be Raptured up into heaven, when they’re not. All those who are waiting for Our LORD Jesus Christ to return should examine themselves more closely, to see if they are ready to face God’s final Judgment. Read the warning messages that God gives to the seven churches in the book of Revelation 2 and 3.

We are still talking about the ten virgins?

“Remember therefore from whence thou are fallen, and repent, and do the first works. Or else I will come unto thee quickly and will remove thy lampstand out of its place, except thou repent.

When the bridegroom returned all the virgins were sleeping, when they should have been awake. Wake up people! How long are you going to be coned into giving all your spare time and money to these false Preachers, Rabbi’s, and Priest, who are wasting all of God’s money building and maintaining these lavish Temples, Churches and Cathedrals.; until the moment God says to you depart from me I never knew you? Take Notice to the fact, that when the virgins begin to wake up; they all suddenly started to realize the seriousness of the situation that they were in. Do you realize the seriousness of the situation that you’re in? Life is so short. God compares our lives to seam coming off the top of a kettle. One moment we’re here, and the next moment we’re gone!

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Rom.13: 11+12 "Now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed. The night is far spent, the day is at hand. Therefore let us cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armor of light.

"When the cry was heard: 'Behold, the bridegroom is coming; go out to meet him!' Then all the virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said to the wise, 'Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.' But the wise answered, saying, 'No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.'

Those who buy and sell in the church are a symbol of those who have “The Mark of the Beast.” Just as it was in the Temple courtyard during Jesus’ time, the Bible prophesize that the New Testament churches will become just as corrupt as the Old Testament Synagogue. And no one will be able to “Buy or sell” preach or teach the Word of God, unless they have the Mark of the Beast. “And if any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand. The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb.

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And while foolish virgins went to buy oil for their lamps, the bridegroom came, And those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut. Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open to us!' But he answered and said, 'Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.'

Matthew 7:21-23, says “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many wonderful works?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who work iniquity.” The Greek word for knew, means to have an intimate relationship with. God wants his bride to have an intimate relationship with Him.

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How long are you going to continue to be “foolish” (which in the Greek means “morons”) Christian sheepeople, tithing 10% of your salary every week, always doing exactly what these thieves tell you to do, keeping your mouth shut, and never questioning where all the money goes, or how it’s being spent! "For false Christ’s and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to “SEDUCE,” if it were possible, even the elect."

I profoundly dislike people who attack the intelligence of other people as a method of argumentation.  It is abusive and manipulative.

Rom. 7:4 “Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that you should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.” “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.” You can’t be following Old Testament laws tithing all your spare time and money to satan’s ministers, and be the bride of Jesus Christ. As the bride of Christ we are suppose to be using our time and money to help those who are in need, you can’t be serving two masters like Eve. We are no longer to live by the Old Testament laws, so that we can live for God. For if you are led by the Spirit, you are no longer under the law.

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In (Rev. 14:4+8) It describes those who have separated themselves from the things of the world to serve Christ: "These are they which were not defiled with women, for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb where so ever he goes . These were redeemed from among men, being the first fruits unto God and to the Lamb."

And there followed another angel saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

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fruit that she would become like a god. And the devil kept his promise. Eve becomes the virgin Mother goddess of all the great Ancient Pigeon religions throughout all time, even to this very day the statue of the virgin Mother is worshiped and prayed to instead of God, by billions of Catholics worldwide. The word "woman" means "man with a womb." Mother goddesses were worshiped

throughout history because of their ability to procreate. Some Pigeon religions believed

that Adam and Eve acquired the ability to procreate as a result of sinning with the serpent,

an ancient symbol of fertility.

Is it just a coincidence that Asherah, a prominent fertility goddess among the neighboring

Canaanite fertility cults, also held the title "The Mother of All Living?" Is it just a

coincidence that Asherah, like Eve, was often depicted nude with a serpent? Is it just a

coincidence that the serpent was, among other things, a prominent phallic symbol,

worshiped as a god of fertility among these same neighboring fertility cults, not to

mention many if not most primitive religions? I will present more evidence and go deeper into this subject in Satan’s Fallen Angels Give Birth to Giants. Satan's fallen angels give birth to giants

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----- Original Message -----

From: Emailer #214

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 9:36 PM

Subject: 3rd and las don't of the serpent's seed is Cain...

Like most women, Eve wanted to be beautiful and to live her life like a princess, and to be worshiped by men like an Egyptian or Greek goddess.

This is essentially slander.  All we know is that Eve wanted to be wise and like God.  This statement is offensive on many levels.

 The devil offered to fulfill all her dreams and earthy desires. This is what screw up her thinking causing her to compromise her morals and to take the risk of partying with devil, instead of walking with God.

Eve had no morals.  They were innocent.  Innocence and morality are incompatible.  These statements expose the utter lack of perception we are dealing with here.

The devil is in control of everything around us, the educational system, the Corporations, the Banks, Television, politics, militaries, entertainment, fashion, music, and yes even our religion.

Is the devil also in control of the blogger's religion?  I think he may be on to something with this red herring.

The 'Tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the midst of the garden is satan.

This view is incompatible with the Text from Genesis.  The tree was specifically said to have been planted by god, that it grew from the ground, and that it bare edible fruit. 

The tree may have been a metaphor for Satan,  but the tree was not literally Satan incarnate. 

And Eve partakes of the forbidden fruit losing her virginity to 'the devil, becoming pregnant with satan’s child, giving birth and unleashing extreme evil into the world.

It was Death that was unleashed on man.

Notice how Eve is called the Mother of all living, yet Adam is not called the Father of all living, I wonder why?

Because God named Him Adam, and Adam does not mean that.  Eve was taken out of Adam, but Adam was not taken out of Eve.  So Eve was not the mother of all, technically.  Let us remember that the enmity was between the Woman's seed and the Serpent's seed, the man did not come into that prophesy.  And also remember that Christ was born of woman, not conceived of man.

This is another indication that tells us that Eve must of had children from another source besides Adam, and of course that source was the Devil.

I cannot agree.

Some people believe that when God said to Satan that he would put enmity between "your seed" He was referring to Satan's child (Cain) now being carried by Eve. And "her seed" He was indicating that there was also a second child now being carried by her, belonged to (Abel).

Both those children were the seed of the woman though.  As I describe in my work on the Seed of the Serpent, the seed of the Devil is to be interpreted as a spiritual seed.  The seed of the Serpent tries to hurt the seed of the woman through sin and death, but the seed of the woman through Christ ultimately triumphs over the seed of the serpent.  This Drama is also played out in Revelation 12.

And in addition it has been said, that as a result of Eve bringing Satan's child into the world, she is the one responsible for Satan being able to destroy God’s perfect creation, by allowing him to inject his evil DNA into the human race.

So the reason for Evil in the world has to do with an evil race of men.  I have asked this before, if the sons of Cain are sinful because of their serpent's DNA, then what is the rest of our excuse?

EVE HAS TWINS CAIN AND ABEL

The idea that Cain and Abel were twins has also been suggested.

I don't have a problem with that idea.

We know by looking at the words used in the original Hebrew text, that Cain and Abel were twins. Looking at the Hebrew it says, And she "again" bare (continued to bare) his brother Abel; the word "again" means continue; so there must have been twins.

Must is too strong a word.  My wife continues to bear children, we have 8, but the continuation takes place over 18 years.  So the twins idea is a "may" not a "must"

Adam also named the first born son of Eve "Cain." The name Cain means acquired, because he was not Adam's begotten son; he was merely a son that he acquired. The name Abel means "breath"or "vapour," something that you see for a short time.

The bible paints a different picture of Cain's naming.  Eve saw Cain as a gift from God, as many mothers do on beholding their infants.

Now if you look at Adams genealogy, guess who you don't find mentioned, (Cain).

This is a deception.  Adam is listed in Cain's Genealogy in Genesis 4:1.  What we have in Genesis 5 is the inheritance Genealogy.  Cain was not reckoned in this genealogy because he was a murderer.  There are many examples of first-borns being passed over because of great sin.  Jacob's first-born, Reuben, is not in Christ's genealogy.  But it is not because Reuben was not Jacob's son.  Reuben slept with one of Jacob's wives.  So also Cain is excluded from the "honor" genealogy which leads to Noah. And, of course, Cain was not an ancestor of Noah, so we would not expect to find him in the genealogy that leads to the man chosen to survive the flood.

 So if he isn't there, which he isn't, then henceforth he isn't Adams son.

I thought this guy understood what euphemisms meant...

Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain,
Genesis 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch:

Verses 2-16 are parenthetical explaining Cain's expulsion.  But it is clear as clear can be who Cain's father is.  Cain may not be included in the "official" generations of Adam.  But Adam is very clearly included in the generations of Cain.

The birthright always belongs to the firstborn son alone (Gen.43:33; 48:8-19). Why was Cain, who was the firstborn (Gen.4:1), not mentioned in the book of the generations of Adam.

Reuben was excluded from Christ's Genealogy, as was Solomon.  I already made my point about this.  MURDER, is the reason Cain is excluded.

 Because The Original New Testament Greek states clearly that Cain was born of (begotten, "came into being" by) “that Wicked One” (I John 3:12).

That is not what it says in 1 John 3:12!

12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Even so, the context of 1 John 3 makes it clear that Cain was "of" the devil, spiritually.  Just as we are born of God spiritually by a spiritual seed.   One need only carefully read 1 John 3 or listen to my Seed of the Serpent Teaching

Genesis chapter 5 gives us Adam's lineage. and Genesis chapter 4 gives us Cain's lineage. Jude 14 states that Enoch was the seventh from Adam. If Cain was of Adam, Enoch could not have been the seventh; he should be the eighth counting from Adam.

This is kind of a weird thing to say, he is suggesting that Cain would go somewhere between Adam and Seth.   Seth was Adam's son.  No further comment.

 Numerous stories backed by Medical evidence proves that a woman can have twins one being a white baby and one being a black as a result of having sex with two different men at the same time.

So now it is an orgy in Eden?  I have no doubt that such a thing may be possible. but I have never seen these guys provide a single documented case.  Numerous stories?  Put up or shut up.

This has been verified by DNA testing that the two children were fathered by two different men, as much as two or three days apart from each other, and end up being born at the same time.

Ok, I'd like to see a link or something.  Not that it changes a thing.

MITOCHONDRIAL EVE

Scientist have extracted DNA from 147 placentas from women of all races and geographical areas on the five continents of the World. Curiously enough, all human mitochondrial DNA is inherited and transmitted exclusively by our mothers to their offspring. The results of this study brought a powerful and revealing conclusion: each one of us, as part of the human race, can trace our lineage back to one single woman, nicknamed "Mitochondrial Eve" This investigation caused a huge controversy and later many attempts were made to discredit its conclusions. Although attempts were made to undermining the claims that all the different races, throughout all time appear to be related to this "first woman," the fundamental assumption that our genes come from "her" still remains unchallenged.

No Comment.

This crazy story about the first woman being seduced by a snake in the grass, is no more difficult to believe, than a woman being attracted to a man’s butt, or the size of his snake in the bush. Or a man being seduced by a woman, who offers him the opportunity to taste her luscious apples, and to climb on top of her peach tree.

................NO COMMENT!

When King Solomon wrote about the beauty of his "queenly maiden" in the Song of Solomon 7:3-14. He describes her metaphorically speaking as "a beautiful fruit-bearing tree"! “Thy breasts are like two young roes that are twins. Thy neck is as a tower of ivory. Thine eyes like the fish-pools in Heshbon…They stature is like to a palm tree, and thy breasts two clusters of grapes.

If you actually check the verses, as I did, you will see that he misrepresents the verses.  She is not described as a fruit bearing tree.  Her stature is compared to a palm, but that is about it as far as trees go, not that this point is very relevant.

I said, I will go up to the palm tree, I will take hold of thy branches. Now also thy breast shall be as clusters of the vine and the smell of thy scent like apples. And the roof of thy mouth like the best wine...Come my beloved let us go into the field...Let us get up early to the vinyards. Let us see whether the vines have budded, whether GRAPE BLOSSOMS have opened and the POMENGRANATES are in bloom. There I will give you my love.

I would give you spiced WINE to drink, the juice of MY POMENGRANATES. Under the APPLE TREE I AWAKENED YOU...O you who dwell in the gardens...Make haste my beloved and be like a gazelle or young stag upon the MOUNTAINS OF SPICES."

I wonder what he means by the capital letters?

A woman is like a beautiful flower that opens up her petals. And along comes a hard working busy little bee, that can not resist her honey and the sweet perfume of her sent. And he goes inside her and rubs several times against her, leaving his pollen, and she bares fruit.

Ok, the song of Solomon is full of innuendo, perhaps.  But you cannot apply double meanings from that book uniformly to the whole bible, least of all to the story in Eden.

THE TREE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE GARDEN OF EDEN IS SATAN

This tree of the knowledge of good and evil, which is full of the forbidden fruit, is all around us today, and has always had a hidden sexual message attached to it. This means that Adam and Eve receive their knowledge about sex from Lucifer, not God.

No Comment.

God obviously wanted Adam and Eve to wait and grow to maturity before having a sexual relationship and children as husband and wife. God purposely gave this tree a hidden meaning to conceal a subject that most adults would consider to be immoral or wrong to discuss around children in Sunday school. Chances are you will never hear it taught in Church, or Sunday school, or in an In-depth bible Study in some one’s private home. This is not only the “forbidden fruit, but a forbidden subject,” and very few people will ever know what the real Original sin was in the Garden of Eden. I am talking about "the devil knowing Eve intimately before she was married," having sexual intercourse as when Adam "knew" his wife Eve for the first time. Lucifer is the Tree of the Knowledge of good and evil, and it is through him that the average teenager gains most of their knowledge about sexual acts that are both good and evil. Because some of the things that are done behind closed doors are so evil, that God says that they are not even to be talked about among Christians, or in public.

Again, no comment, obviously, I disagree. I feel like I covered this ground.

God tells a story in Ezekiel 31:3to18, that uncovers the true identity of “the tree of the knowledge of good and evil” in the middle of the garden, which is “Satan.”

There was a tree in the Garden of Eden whose height was exalted above all the other trees of the field. And his greatness was beautiful, and his branches became long because his roots were by the great waters. And all the fowls of heaven made their nests in his branches, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all the great nations. And his greatness and branches were so beautiful, that all the other trees in God’s Garden envied him.

I do not dispute the symbolic correlation between the Devil and the tree in the midst of the garden.  I just  dispute the idea that the tree was Satan incarnate.  Satan was present as the SERPENT.  Not as the tree.  YOu can't have the same thing symbolized twice in the same parable by two vastly different objects.  We are talking about THE SERPENT SEED after all, not the Seed of the Tree.

Therefore thus says the Lord God; Because thou has lifted up they thyself on height, and his heart is lifted up in his height; I have delivered him into the hands of the mighty ones of the heathen; and they shall surely deal with him. I have driven him out for his wickedness. And strangers, the terrible of the nations shall cut him off and leave him upon the mountains, and all his branches are fallen in all the valleys. And all of the trees of the field mourn and fainted for him. And God made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit. And they that were his arms, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen, they also went down into hell with him, unto them that be slain with the sword.

I have a song for this Chapter of the bible which you may find edifying.  Ezekiel Chapter 31

To who was like thee in greatness and glory among the trees of Eden? Yet shall thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, says the Lord God.

The Tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the midst of the garden is satan. And he has becomes the largest most beautiful of all the trees in the garden, because he has planted himself by the multitude of waters.

God explicitly planted that Tree, Read Genesis 2.

The water represents the Word of God, and satan has become very beautiful, rich, and powerful, because he has spread out his roots into all the worlds religions. This story is not only about Adam and Eve, but about satan and his infiltration of the worlds politics and religions. His evil bloodline has produced many anti-Christ throughout the centuries, and has used the governments and Churches vast wealth to enslave the nations, like the Pharaohs did to Egypt. But I think this story is one of the most sobering scriptures in the Bible, because it says that the arms of satan’s tree, the people who have done his dirty work, will be cast down into hell with him.

Bloodlines...bah.  It is such an antichristian doctrine I'm plain sick of arguing about it.  Listen to my teaching on the Seed of the Serpent.

People when are you going to WAKE UP? Every time you give your money to these wealthy religious organizations, you’re just making the devil richer and more powerful. But every time you give your money directly to the poor, as God has told us to do, you are loaning it to God, and God promises that He will always pay us back. Proverbs 19:17 He that has pity upon the poor lends unto the Lord; and that which he has given will he pay him again. Prov 28:27 He that gives to the poor shall not lack: but he that hides his eyes shall have many a curse.

No comment.

AM I MY BROTHER'S KEEPER?

As a result of being seduced by the devil, Eve the Mother of all mankind becomes pregnant with Lucifer’s son, Cain. Adam’s first-born son was Abel, whom God says was a righteous man. Adam's seed would become the bloodline through which the “Christ” (which means the Messiah) would be born. Did Cain’s the devil’s seed hate Abel God’s seed? I would say so, Cain hated Abel so much he killed him. Remember: the law of God states that every living seed shall bring forth after its own kind (Gen.1:11-12, 21, 24-25 cf. 1:26). If Cain's murderous act was not from God, then from whom did Cain inherit these traits? 1 John 3:12 reads "...Cain was of that wicked one and slew his brother. Cain was just like his father satan who was a murderer from the very beginning, and Cain killed his half brother Abel. Jesus said that Satan "was a murderer from the beginning" and that "he is a liar, and the father of it" (John.8:44).

It is nice to see, for once that he is properly attributing Christ's "murderer from the beginning" to the Devil.

His rebellious nature was manifested in Cain when Cain defiantly shouted at God, saying: "Am I my brother's keeper?!" These traits alone are enough proofs that Cain was not a son of Adam who was a son of God.

This whole doctrine seem to boil down to that old misconception, "the parents have eaten the sour grapes and the children's teeth are set on edge."  While I do think that parents can be initially responsible for many of the child's faults and that certain predispositions can be handed down genetically.  But to lay the whole of human evil at the feet of genetic corruption from Satan is simply taking the issue further than the evidence allows.

In John 8:44 we read: “Ye are out of your father the devil” The term "out of" in the Greek means (genesis, generation, genes, seed, offspring).

He cut and pasted Earlier arguments, so I'm going to cut and paste my responses.

In John 8:44 "Of"  is the Greek word Ek, and indeed means "out of" or "out from" and indicates the point of origin.  But the further point made here that it is somehow indicative of "offspring" is not correct.  That would depend entirely on the context.  The context of John 8:44 indicates that the men Christ is referring to were "of the Devil" in a spiritual sense.  This is especially apparent since Christ had just confirmed their genealogical descent from Abraham. John 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed. I cover John 8 extensively in my work on the Serpent Seed which I highly recommend.  http://oraclesofgod.org/questions/audio/003_The_Seed_of_the_Serpent.mp3  To say that here is means "offspring," or "genes " specifically is misleading, at best..

“And the lusts of your father ye shall do. He was a murderer from the beginning and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own, for he is a liar and the FATHER of it.” Jesus comes right out and says it plainly "Your father" is the devil, and He says it twice in one sentence for absolute clarity. Your father here does not simply mean that they are like satan, as many suppose, but rather that satan is literally their ancestor, and their progenitor.

Spiritual Father. This issue has been covered in detail, this ending is a repetition of things said earlier, but I'm including it all because he included it all.

Again this is manifestly untrue based on the context of John 8 where it is clear that while Chirist affirms their carnal descent from Abraham he is denying their spiritual descent from God.  By reading the verses which lead up to verse 44 one can clearly see this point develop but this author is not interested in context he is only interested in furthering his perverse understanding of the Serpent's seed.

John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

See how that Jesus clearly affirms their carnal descent form Abraham.

38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41Ye do the deeds of your father.

Jesus is saying that since their BEHAVIOR is different than Abraham's there is a sense in which they are not the Children of Abraham. There is no teaching anywhere in the bible that says your ancestors have any bearing on whether or not you would seek to kill someone.  Jesus cannot possibly be saying that their intent to murder him was evidence that Abraham was not their father.  Do not forget that the Sons of Jacob were willing to murder Joseph and that David murdered Uriah that he might Possess Bath Sheba.  There is nothing about being descended from Abraham that prevents men from desiring to murder righteous men.

41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.

Jesus was clearly making a spiritual distinction, which they readily understood.  When they claimed God as their father this demonstrates that they understood the discussion had become spiritual.  They were proud of both their carnal and spiritual descent.

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

When Christ says they are "of the Devil," he meant it in the same sense that they meant it when they said their father was God.  Jesus was never suggesting that Satan was literally their ancestor. To suggest so is to intentionally ignore the clear intent of Christ's words.

And they said something back to Jesus in response to his allegations, which is very interesting.

Because they full well knew the sense in which he meant it. They had already asserted that God was their father (and that could only be taken in a spiritual sense).  It would never have occured to them that Christ was suggesting that Satan was their carnal ancestor.  That is clearly against what Christ said.

“They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus said to them; if ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham. But now ye seek to kill me, a man that has told you the truth, which I have heard of God; this did not Abraham. Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, “We be not born of fornication; we have one Father even God!” The fornication these men were talking about, was the fornication between Eve and the Serpent. They understood that Jesus was implying that Eve had an illegitimate child, and that they were the seed of the devil, not Adam and Abraham. The fall of mankind started with sexual intercourse between Eve and the "Serpent."

Notice the scrupulous avoidance of verse 37 "I know that you are Abraham's seed."  Believing in this sort of spurious interpretation means ignoring clear context and reading into the text ideas that the text itself does not present. 

The reference to fornication should be obvious to any student of the Old Testament.  God was the Father of Israel, spiritually of course.  The concept of fornication refers to idolatry.  They percieved the shift in Christ's conversation from carnal descent to that of spiritual descent.  By suggesting that they were born of some other "father" than Abraham, they understood that Christ meant their spiritual origin, which they insist was of GOD.  Notice, that when Christ brings up the issue of their having another "father"  they do not continue to insist that the argument is over Abraham, but over God.

The apostle John also knew what happened in the Garden of Eden. He wrote in, I John 3:10-12

Notice, as we leave his brief examination of John 8:37, he completely ignores the verse where Jesus confirms that they were the seed of Abraham.

“In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother. For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another. Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.”

This is another verse that has been taken out of context.

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Notice, that in verse 9 John defines those who are born of God as having the seed of God remaining in them.  That is very important because we are talking about a spiritual seed in this context, and that is manifestly true.

Notice in this key verse of John's letter, he says that Cain come "out of that wicked one.”

He means out of Satan's penis, literally.

In this statement John could never have been saying that Cain came out of Adam. Adam was not evil, neither was he called the wicked one, whose son Cain was.

According to Genesis 4:1 Cain was the son of Adam. All these other instances of special pleading are irrelevant.  One does not need to be a direct descendant of the Devil to be capable of doing as Cain did.  Neither does Cain's crime find it's explanation in some sort of supernatural sexual liaison of Eve with Satan.  The reason Cain did what he did is clearly stated by the Apostle. "Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous."  So it had nothing to do with him being carnally descended from the Devil, which is not even a biblical idea.

 According to the written Word of God, Adam was a righteous man.

Exactly what word is he referring to? That is not written in the bible. As the man who was responsible for all our deaths, I can't exactly see how he was all clean for having partaken with Eve in the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Also there is an assumption here that is a total LIE.  The assumption he is making is that Righteous men only have righteous children.  That is not true.

In the previous chapter John wrote of the believers, ". . . because you have overcome the wicked one" (I John 2:13, 14). Again John is referring to the Devil as being the "wicked one" as he is described in many other places in the Scriptures, and Cain was a child of the Devil, not Adam!

Cain was of the Devil because his sin was so great.  But this writer is overlooking what John is saying in 1 John 3, and that is WHOEVER SINS is not of God.  John's point is that any sins we commit lead us down the same path that Cain blazed.  It was the same point Jesus was making in John 8 "Whoever commiteth sin is the servant of sin."  We need to be made free so we don't end up like Cain, children of the Devil, his spiritual offspring.

Jesus told the religious leaders plainly, “You are not of My Father, you are of your father the devil,” and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. These men were descendants of Lucifer, and Cain was their Father not Adam. And the veil that had been placed over their eyes was suddenly blown away by the truth that was always there, hidden from the beginning of time.

What this writer is doing is called "selective use of evidence"  and "deck stacking" you should never trust anyone who does that.  John 8:37 I know that you are Abraham's seed.

THE WHEAT AND THE TARES

I'm not even going to cut and paste my response from above to this part again. The blogger's material was taken out of order by Emailer #214 and apparently he lost track of what he had already copied and pasted.  In any case, I consider my response complete.

In Matthew 13:24-30 and 37-43. Jesus explains to his disciples the Parable of “The Wheat and Tares” He says "I Will Utter Things Which Have Been Kept Secret From The Foundation Of The World." Jesus sends the multitude of people away, and went inside the house, and his disciples came to him saying, "Explain unto us the parable of the tares of the field."

Do you think it was just a coincidence that they chose this one specific parable for clarification? No this parable is very important to know the hidden meaning, in order to understand the Bible and to know what is going on in the World!

Another parable put he forth unto them saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? From whence then has it tares? He said unto them an enemy has done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn...

He answered and said unto them, HE THAT SOWETH THE GOOD SEED IS THE SON OF MAN. THE FIELD IS THE WORLD; THE GOOD SEED ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE KINGDOM; BUT THE TARES ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE "WICKED ONE;" THE ENEMY THAT SOWED THEM IS THE DEVIL; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire; there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who has ears to hear, let him hear.

Let's look at Christ's explanation which explains what happened at the beginning of the world and read about the "seed" (sperma) that was sown.

Jesus reveals that He (Yahweh) has fathered the good seed (the wheat God’s children) and that the tares (the weeds and thorns) have been fathered by the devil. When you read the New Testament story about the blind man who suddenly received his sight, the first thing he sees is "men as trees, walking" this has a much deeper meaning, God is trying to open our eyes to the fact that there are two different seeds or (bloodlines) in the world. Those who produce good fruit which are the children of God, and those who produce evil things which are the children of the devil. When you compare the two they look very much the same, for example a hemlock tree looks very much like a Christmas fur tree, but the roots of a hemlock are a deadly poison. Rye-grass looks very much like wheat, but the seeds of it are a strong soporific poison, that if eaten, produces convulsions and even death.It bears a close resemblance to wheat till the ear appears, and only then can the difference be discovered. God's elect are called the "Cedars of Lebanon" because the roots of the cedar go as deep as the tree is tall and therefore these trees cannot be easily shaken or uprooted. Inside the wood is blood red, and does not rot like other woods, which is a symbol of those who have the blood of Jesus Christ in their veins which gives us everlasting life.

Are you hearing what Jesus is saying? Are you one of God's children with ears that are willing to hear? Or have you hardened your heart and plugged your ears saying that "you do not believe that a loving God could do such a thing," because Jesus is talking about casting evil people into hell. Something that goes against your personal beliefs, because you think you would be much more merciful than God!

The Bible is very clear about this fact. Satan's unrepentant children (the tares) shall be gathered up at the end of time and stand before the judgment seat of Jesus Christ, and when they are found guilty bound and cast into the lake of fire along with their father and his fallen angles.

"The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Think about all this for a second. What did Eve’s sin of immorality result in? It resulted in the birth of satan’s bloodline, and her punishment for her immorality resulted in terrible pain and anguish in childbirth, and the murder of her innocent child Abel. Think about the guilt and the mental anguish Eve must have gone through, after her oldest son killed the younger; and then was banished from her sight forever. This must have brought Eve unbelievable sorrow; only a mother could understand what "sorrow" truly means. This is no different than all the immorality and abortions going on in the world today, which result in the murders of millions of innocent children every year. Think about the guilt and the mental anguish that this must bring upon all the men and women who are responsible for killing their own children.

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