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----- Original Message -----From: Name WithheldTo: Paul StringiniSent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 12:38 PMSubject: Arnold Murray
leave the man alone-maybe you should be studying gods word instead of judging Arnold-he knows what he is talking about-and he doesn’t judge you!!!!!!! he knows enough not to judge, maybe you should start listening to him.
----- Original Message -----From: Paul StringiniTo: Name WithheldSent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 2:36 PMSubject: Re: Arnold Murray
Hi, Thanks for writing.leave the man alone-What? Stand idly by while Arnold Murray, openly and in public, corrupts the word of God and the Gospel of Jesus Christ? That is unthinkable.Jude 1:3 ...ye should earnestly contend for the faith ...But why didn't you take your own advice and leave me alone? I'm just doing what I believe is right. I think it is rather hypocritical of you to tell me to stop when you are writing me and doing the same thing. You reserve for yourself the right to defend the truth and deny me that right. That is hypocritical. And you have that blowhard Murray intruding into millions of homes on thousands of TV stations to back you up, and I have just this little website that you have to actually look for and read in order to be exposed to my thoughts.-maybe you should be studying gods word instead of judging Arnold-Isn't Arnold the guy that says "check me out?" well I did, and after a while the scales came off my eyes and I saw that this guy's teachings were not based on Hebrew scholarship but based on mishandling the language and abusing the tools, that, and human imaginations. The bible is clear about "casting down imaginations" because Arnold exalts his imaginations above the plainly and clearly communicated teachings of the what we dare to call "God's word".Maybe you should know more about me before judging me? My free line by line bible studies http://oraclesofgod.org/studies/index.htmOh, and I don't charge money (like Arnold) so if you want a copy of my teachings you can download them all for free. And I don't beg for money at the end of every study the way Arnold does either. In case you didn't notice, that is what he does, every single broadcast. He says he never begs, and then says "please help us" which sure sounds like begging to me. Do you know how many people write me and say "he never asks for money." I'm sure you at least know that he does ask for money, frequently. I don't judge the man, he is his own judge. He is the one who brags all the time about how he never begs. He just smiles while he does it as if that changes anything. But people are misled by his words. Just like, "check me out" inspires a false sense of trust that people don't bother to follow up on. he leaves a breadcrumb trail, and people check that out, but they don't look past that to see how he is misleading them with his bluffs, bragging, and bluster.-he knows what he is talking about-No, he makes stuff up and is a clear example of the kind of teacher who inserts imaginations into the bible and the wisdom of man (he calls it common sense). His bluster about being a Hebrew scholar is just another bluff.and he doesn’t judge you!!!!!!!Not directly, but I don't judge him directly either. I say that what he is doing is wrong. And he says the same about me. He teaches it is wrong to criticize other ministries "by name." So right there he is accusing me of doing something wrong. And I totally disagree since the bible plainly tells us to mark those that cause divisions contrary to the doctrine of Christ. And the Apostles set certain examples by naming certain people who were spreading heresies (Hymenaeus and Philetus).
Arnold does not know what he is talking about, he is guided by his own wisdom and not by the word of God. He is in REBELLION against the word of God. All you have to do is look at the way he reads the garden of Eden, he might as well say "Don't believe what you are reading, believe me." And many such like things he does. His claims to Hebrew "scholarship" are a JOKE, and all you have to do is check him out, (not merely follow the breadcrumb trail he leaves for you)he knows enough not to judge,That's not true. He judges people all the time, "ratchet-jaws", "revolving revs", name some more for me... "One verse Charlie's" Why is this acceptable? Because you agree with him. Well, people who agree with me find my assessment of Murray acceptable too.Let me ask you. Do I have to mention the guys with "backwards collars?" What about the "fly away" people? That is not judging? He just condemns whole groups. If you are going to justify him, then you have to justify me. All I'm doing is saying that his deeds and doctrine are bad, I'm not saying he does it because he is a bad person or already damned. He might very well be sincere. I usually tend towards that judgment. But no one ever says "you can't judge him sincere." Well I can't judge him in any case, but I can listen to what he says and tell whether it is false doctrine or not. Maybe he will repent, that is why I will not leave him alone. He was my teacher, the only teacher I ever had. Why should he not be hounded by those whom he is responsible for instructing? He took it upon himself to be a teacher, I am his prize, for good or for evil.maybe you should start listening to himI guess you don't know my story, I own all his teachings, I have heard the man out. He substitutes his own wisdom for that which is derived from the word of God. He substitutes his own imaginary stories for that which is written in the Holy Sacred Word of Almighty God. It is nothing to fool about....Right now you are judging me based on appearance, because I oppose your teacher, you oppose meJohn 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.John 7:51 Doth our law judge any man, before it hear him, and know what he doeth?Judge my works, judge righteous judgment, as Christ commanded. Judge what I do.My written doctrine http://oraclesofgod.org/doctrine/index.htmMy verbal teachings http://oraclesofgod.org/studies/index.htmMy heart's music http://oraclesofgod.org/songs/index.htmArnold told me to judge what he was doing "check me out," I did it and found him severely wanting.SincerelyPaul Stringini
----- Original Message -----From: Name WithheldTo: Paul StringiniSent: Thursday, February 14, 2013 5:38 PMSubject: Re: Arnold Murraymy whole point is-he doesn't create websites to bash you does he-if you think differently then he does then you should mind your own business and not worry about what he is doing-i guess we all will see what happens in the end right? see ya at the 7th trump-my last message to you and god bless you in the name of jesus
----- Original Message -----From: Paul StringiniTo: Name WithheldSent: Friday, February 15, 2013 12:03 PMSubject: Re: Arnold Murray
What you don't understand is that the wisdom of "mind your own business" is the wisdom of man and not of God. besides, it is my business. If I were to keep silence God would hold me responsible for the people I could have helped. I don't see any biblical example of where we are told that when an enemy is slandering the the word of God we should just stand by and watch it happen. God did not write into the bible a doctrine such as this to protect fat and famous teachers from having to be brought to account.I don't just disagree with Murray about a few points of doctrine. I disagree with him especially when he suggests that it is wrong to attack another ministry by name. He is totally wrong and the scriptures prove me right.2Tim2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.Notice how Paul pointed out the violators BY NAME. Murray suggests it is wrong to name the enemies of Christ in order to protect himself from critics. Our whole conversation is the result of his having suggested to you that it is virtuous to refuse to name false teachers. That is HIS IDEA. But it is as unbiblical as it gets. And you may like his idea, but you are as out of line as he is.Murray does not need to make a website about me, he has a TV show where he can teach you to reject what I'm saying, if only for the fact that I dare to speak against HIM. How utterly convenient. By demonizing anyone who speaks against him, he relieves himself from having to deal with specific criticisms.Notice that Arnold Murray teaches the same heresy as Hymenaeus and Philetus2Tim 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is ARNOLD MURRAY;
2Tim 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.All you have to do is listen to him teach on where the dead are. This is contrary to the teachings of the scriptures. As you scoff consider your ignorance, and consider that verse. They wouldn't call it sleep if it was nothing like it.John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Murrays assurance, "They are with Him..." is a lie. I recently wrote a 70 page document on the subject http://oraclesofgod.org/doctrine/03_the_resurrection_of_the_dead.htm-if you think differently then he does then you should mind your own business and not worry about what he is doing-Did God tell you to tell me that? It is not in the bible so you must have got that by special revelation. Or you made it up (or, rather, you picked it up from Murray).Is that what the Lord did? Mathew 23. Murray does not even do it. He constantly rips on other ministries, and you don't have to be a genius to figure out who they are. After all, you know them by their fruits. If there was more than one Murray then I suppose I could do like he does and just attack them all. But I would be a hypocrite like Murray if I then suggested that I never criticize other ministries.Sincerely,Paul Stringini
----- Original Message -----From: Name WithheldTo: Paul StringiniSent: Friday, February 15, 2013 1:25 PMSubject: Re: Arnold MurrayWell judgement starts at the pulpit so we will all have to wait and see-we all interpret things differently and my eyes and ears have been opened in the name of jesus-there are lots of good and bad teachers but one thing I believe we probably agree on is the end times are here-how bout that meteor today? like your name of reborn-that is what my name means :) keep saving people I do know I am saved and will not be deceived by anyone-have you listened to him do revelations? i sat in a church for years that never touched on it and I believe it is the one thing all teachers should be leading us sheep thru-you dont need to tell me where he is wrong it wont change my opinion-god bless you seriously I just cant get over how many teachers spend so much time letting others know who is wrong about scripture-we are in this alone by ourselves and with the help of the lord we will all be saved in the end-thanks for your thoughts Im sure our spirits will meet when this is all finally fullfilled-I will pray for you as well have a blessed day my brother
----- Original Message -----From: Paul StringiniTo: Name WithheldSent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 3:42 PMSubject: Re: Arnold Murray
hello again,well judgement starts at the pulpit so we will all have to wait and see-I am content to submit to the same judgment. I would rather live and die by following my convictions, than fail to follow my convictions from fear of judgment. The servant who buried his talent comes to mind, "I knew you were an austere man so I buried my talent in the earth." I do not wish to be that man. I would rather die by my convictions, than live by my fears.we all interpret things differently and my eyes and ears have been opened in the name of jesus-Well, that is true to some degree. But it ought not be so. Many of us are just wrong. My eyes were opened once too. Several times actually. We all could use having our eyes opened a little more. I certainly could.there are lots of good and bad teachers but one thing I believe we probably agree on is the end times are here-Sorry to say. I do not agree. I do not believe we are living in the end times. That is one thing that sets me apart from most believers. They have been telling me that we are in the end times since I was able to understand words, and they have been saying that for so long I think they are afraid to hit the reset button and say, "No, the end times have not yet arrived." I, for one, do not believe we are currently living in the end times. Though I believe the end times for the world could begin in my lifetime. I do not see one good reason from the bible to say that this it the time of the end (and I don't think Jews returning to Israel and becoming a nation is a good reason). The end could be hundreds of years away or just a decade or less, but I don't get into predictions.Let's instead all agree that Jesus Christ is our Savior, example, and guide. :)how bout that meteor today?I look for a bigger one to land in the sea and kill a third of the sea life and destroy a solid third of the ships. I believe the first four trumpets of Revelation will be the clearest indicators that the end times have commenced. If the trumpet give an uncertain sound, how shall we prepare ourselves for battle. Signs have to be recognizable. They are signals whose meaning will be apparent to all.I believe that when the end times come, the whole world will know that the end is come, even though they will not understand.Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.Everyone will know they are living in the end of the world, the part that will surprise them is when Christ finally appears and destroys the enemy whom they have taken as their god.like your name of reborn-that is what my name means :)I never knew that. That is very interesting.keep saving people I do know I am saved and will not be deceived by anyone-Knowledge does not commend us to God. And the knowledge that will help us in the end times us is the knowledge we gain from the practice of resisting temptation with the aid of Christ. Because though we may think we know that their god is Satan, would we sell our souls for one more drink? One more smoke? for some food? One more indulgence of the flesh? People don't get it. If we cannot resist temptation now, we are not likely to be able to do it when it really counts. So now is the time to exercise ourselves in righteousness. If we hunger and thirst for that then Satan will never persuade us to sell our soul for the flesh. If well sell ourselves to sin daily, why should we expect to do better in the face of so great an enemy? If Christ has not helped us overcome sin now, why should we expect him to help us later?Titus2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.have you listened to him do revelations?years ago, its been a long time, I have heard him do it all. One of the things that started turning me off was how he said in 1995 at a passover meeting that we were in the fifth trump. he has not backed off because, according to him, at last year's passover we were in the sixth. I say No trumpets have sounded. It is not the sort of thing you would miss. I have been planning a study of Revelation myself, which you may find interesting, because though I differ with Murray on many things there are a few similarities which make my teachings on prophecy interesting to students of the Chapel.i sat in a church for years that never touched on it and I believe it is the one thing all teachers should be leading us sheep thru-I did make the entire book of Revelation into a series of songs. I think it is most important to know what is in Revelation. People make up all kinds of things about what they think it all means. And people like to listen to that sort of thing. But it is really a case of itching ears. Though I feel I can teach it very well. In some respects I think it will disappoint some people who would rather hear speculations than sound doctrine.you don't need to tell me where he is wrong it wont change my opinion-Well, I said what I said, and I'll say no more.god bless you seriously I just cant get over how many teachers spend so much time letting others know who is wrong about scripture-In 2007 I wote a few pages about my former teacher Arnold Murray. Everything I wrote about it since then has been in reaction to comments from people who send me email and want to talk about it. I would really rather teach what i believe than go on and on about Murray. But I feel it is my duty to respond and have had many thanks from people who have had very bad experiences with the ministry. I'm glad it was not so with you. But for my part I do spend most of my time on other things. Because of your interest in the chapel you found that page, but if you go to my home page you will have a hard time finding your way back to the chapel page. That is because it is really not my focus. It is just how you found me.I don't do other ministers because they were not my teacher. So my ministry is not really one of those heresy hunting ministries. I was married in from of Arnold Murray's desk, and though I do not have much hope that he will repent, I do feel an obligation to his students.we are in this alone by ourselves and with the help of the lord we will all be saved in the end-That is an odd sentiment. We who believe are not alone, but compassed about with a great cloud of witnesses, Plus we are part of a body, the Chrurch (if properly so-called) I have friends. Brethren. No church-house. But i am in the church, every day, every moment. Fellowship is good if you can find fellows. And that is not easy.We, those who have faith, will all be saved. but of course, not all men have faith, even among those that claim to, but I' m sure you know that. Yet if we continue in sin, unrepented, then we will fail to inherit the Kingdom of God.Gal5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.Heresies are opinions which stray from the doctrine of Christ. That is why doctrine is important. Doctrine describes our faith. It is what we believe about the objects of our belief.1Tim 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.Doctrine does save.thanks for your thoughts Im sure our spirits will meet when this is all finally fullfilled-I will pray for you as well have a blessed day my brother
You are welcome and you are also in my prayers. I appreciate the kindly sentiment and tone of this letter.Sincerely,Paul Stringini
----- Original Message -----From: Name WithheldTo: Paul StringiniSent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:38 PMSubject: Re: Arnold Murrayi havent heard him say we are in the 6th but I believe we will all know it when that happens-first the witnesses-you seen like a nice man-i meant we are in this alone as-only we(ourselves) can make the choice of our behavior-in the end we are judged as individuals by our works-pray for me :) I never said my eyes are fully opened I have alot to learn but the lord is leading me in the right direction-thank you for your concern and may you truly be blessed i will check out your sight a little differently
----- Original Message -----From: Paul StringiniTo: Name WithheldSent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 11:29 AMSubject: Re: Arnold MurrayThanks, I hope it will be a blessing to you.
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