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Question/Comment: 

----- Original Message -----

From: Name Withheld

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 3:48 AM

Subject: children of the devil

I recently read your blast against Murray and shepherds chapel and you stated this;

 

1John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God,

Question: Give me the scripture that defines righteousness, then  explain in your own words how you are righteous.

neither he that loveth not his brother.

Question: Do you love your brother when you blast across the internet defaming someone for their imperfections, when indeed you have a redwood tree in your own eye?

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Question: Give me the scripture that defines being born again, then explain to me in your own words how you are born again, and how you do not sin doing what you are doing.

It only seems natural to me that some one who claims someone else is wrong must know everything, a thing I highly doubt.

These are simple truths that everyone talks, talks, talks about and know nothing about. Such as you i.e. reborn at oracles of god? then surely you can tell me how you were reborn, from the oracles of god.

Because if you cannot do this you would be exactly the same as Murray, and the chapel, teaching the bible incorrectly, and thus bashing yourself?

I am not doing this to bash you, I would really like an answer to know that you know what you are talking about because I am just a man, and if you cannot be held accountable to a man how shall you be accountable to God? the bible is a VERY tricky thing to understand because God is smarter than you, me, and Murray.

These are easy questions that I have presented, if you can answer these I would like to ask you some really hard ones. If you cannot answer them just ask and I will help you understand the very scary truth.

 

My Response:

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Name Withheld

Sent: Friday, September 07, 2012 5:23 PM

Subject: Re: children of the devil

I overlooked your message, so sorry,

 

1John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God,

Question: GIve me the scripture that defines righteousness, then  explain in your own words how you are righteous.

The question is not whether I am righteous.  Whether I am righteous, or whether I am the devil himself,  does not change what the Apostle John says. And what the Apostle John said is that if YOU do not do righteousness, then you are not of God, that is something for YOU to consider.  As for myself, I have already considered it, and I know and accept that so long as I lack in the least in the doing of righteousness, I should not be totally sure about who I am in God.  I have faith, and trust in God, but I am not cocksure.

 

2 Peter 1:5 And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

I got work to do. How about you? I've made progress, how about you?

 

The FACT is that the children of the devil are manifested  by what they do, not by who their parents are.  That is my point, that is what THE BIBLE teaches.  If you can't handle that, tough. When you sin, you manifest behavior that makes you look like a child of the devil, if you keep that up, then your election is only your imagination and you will not enter into the kingdom of God. Because sin is what the children of the devil do.  If you want to be a child of God then do righteousness, and quit making excuses for your failure.

 

neither he that loveth not his brother.

Question: Do you love your brother when you blast across the internet defaming someone for their imperfections, when indeed you have a redwood tree in your own eye?

You don't know what love or hate are.

Lev 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

 

It is hate to fail to rebuke someone whom you know is sinning. 

If I believed Arnold Murray was teaching falsely, and I failed to rebuke him. 

That would indicate I hated him. 

 

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Question: Give me the scripture that defines being born again, then explain to me in your own words how you are born again, and how you do not sin doing what you are doing.

Gladly, soon, but basically you want me to either convict myself of sin or to deny the scripture. 

What is your opinion about the scripture?  You seem to think it cannot be true.  Like you think you know better or something.

Well, the way I see it, is that so long as I see sin in myself, I know that I am still lacking in the department of being the criteria that tells me I am fully born again and I should seek God to be delivered from any unrighteousness in me until I get what I'm asking for. 

 

Being born again is not instantaneous, 

Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

 

We have to "grow up into Christ." (Eph 4 15) 

I do not have to personally fulfill the scriptures to confess that they are true.

 

2Cor 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

 

Or do you think that God will accept your attitude that these scriptures are to be disregarded dismissed and mocked?  (And mockery is DEFINITELY the tone you have taken up in regards to the writing of 1John3).  Shall we just go on sinning without fear?

 

1Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

 

Titus 2:1 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Do you believe that?  Or do you mock that idea?  Do you despise those that seek to do righteousness?  You cannot obtain it, so you mock other who try? Is that it?

An25d I guess, in your book, this is also another empty promise:

 

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

 

You would say that Jesus doesn't do that, that this is not possible.

 

I bet you do NOT agree with Murray 100% on every doctrine, you are that type.  So I guess this scripture is also for the trash bin?

 

Titus 2:7 In all things showing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine showing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,

 

It only seems natural to me that some one who claims someone else is wrong must know everything, a thing I highly doubt.

 

Seems natural to you, but I think you lack somewhat in the area of thinking. 

 

1 Cor 8:2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

 

 To truly be enlightened is to realize your limits.  Here is a verse which accurately describes the way pastor Murray develops doctrine

Col 2:18...intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

 

Like when he talks about how the elect stood against Satan in the world that was and all his imaginations which he teaches as doctrine.

 

The way I keep my doctrine straight is by sticking to the core truths and not straying into speculations and imaginations like so many people like Murray do.

 

2Cor 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

 

Dr Murray does not practice that advice. Nor this advice.

I Timothy 1 (I'm taking out the narrative stuff to get at the core here)
1 ... Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;
3 ... charge some that they teach no other doctrine,
4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

 

Murray is a jangler.  Talking about sex with the devil  is a classic Jewish fable.  And it is funny coming from a guy who is against the "Jews," whom he calls Kenites.

 

You will never learn from Murray how to walk even as Christ walked, that is why you are so hostile to the idea, but that is the essence of what Christ came for. We need to become like him, many run the race, but only the winner gets a crown, you can't just sit down at the finish line and declare victory.  You have to run your whole race to obtain.

 

The rest of your questions seemed to be along the same lines, so here I've given you my response, let me know if you need clarification.  And try to drop the condescending attitude.  It does not become you and only creates a hostile environment.

 

Sincerely

Paul Stringini

 

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