----- Original Message -----

From: Name Withheld

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 3:53 PM

Subject: Question about the end times and the 6th trump.

Do you believe that we are in fact in the end times? It was brought to my attention by friends (Pastor Murray followers) of mine that we are in fact in the beginning stages of the 6th trump. It was my understanding that Satan's arrival sounds the 6th trump.... Please help.

 

Thanks in advance for your response,

Name Withheld

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----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Name Withheld

Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 8:05 PM

Subject: Re: Question about the end times and the 6th trump.

Hi name Withheld, No, I do not believe that we are in the end times.  The idea that we could have gotten through 5 or six trumps without anyone (except Dr. Arnold Murray, of course) noticing is absolutely ridiculous.  I do believe that the end times could begin soon, but I would also allow that the end times may be some time off.  They have been telling me my whole life that I was living in the end times and, frankly, these guys are totally wrong. This is how the bible describes the end times:

 

Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

 

The end times are not some secret only to be known by a few enlightened elites.  The whole world is going to know it is the end of the age.  Those that have not prepared themselves in faith spiritually may be caught up in the perplexity and confusion of those days.  And of course, many people will die during those years.  One third of the people on earth will die.

 

1Cor 14:8 8 For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?

 

The trumpets of Revelation are the most important and visible signs of the end. They are called "trumpets"  because they are intended to send a message, they are supposed to be a clear and CERTAIN signal that the end is underway.  Arnold Murray was saying we were in the 5th trumpet in 1995 and that was what initially began to turn me off from his teachings, he also falsely predicted the end back in the 80's I have a special page dedicated to that.  The man has proven himself to be a false prophet in the past and still keeps using  the same questionable methods of interpretation to unlock secrets that God has his from the eyes of men...

 

Col 2:18 ...intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

 

Guys like Murray like to delve into secrets, and people love to be told things they think are secret, but it is mostly the vain  imaginations of men exalting themselves above the knowledge given by Christ..

 

2Cor10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

 

I believe that the first several trumpets are literal events which the whole world will recognize as being harbringers of the end. This is the simple view. The later trumpets are slightly more veiled in symbology, When the time comes, the faithful will recognize and understand what those passages mean.

 

Daniel 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

 

So to sum my view up, we are not living in the end times, not yet anyway, and the end times will begin with the first trumpet, this will be the SIGNAL (a trumpet is a signal)  that the end has begun.  As follows: Hail and fire mingled with blood, (the blood could come from creatures that are struck by this deadly hail).  the hail may not be normal hail, it may come from space and be the flaming broken pieces of an icy comet. The hail and fire will be immediately followed by the second trump, the mountain burning with fire which is cast into the sea, which I think is likely referring to a comet, a rocky part of a comet or meteor stiking the earth somewhere in the seas.  The devastation will destroy a third of sea life and a third of shipping.  This is followed by the third trump  which may be related or may be a second smaller object which will poison a third of the earth's fresh water, in the fourth trump the skies will be darkened, probably from the ash that will be thrown up into the sky from the impacts and from the forest and grass fires (first trump).  

 

After that it gets a little harder to understand, but as the angel told Daniel, the wise will understand.  So we ought to be wise and cleanse ourselves from unrighteousness and sin and walk worthy of the calling of our Lord Jesus Christ, because when those days do come, there will be no doubt what is happening, only doubt as to what we should do. The Lord will guide the faithful in those days.

 

All one has to do is read the trumpets to know PM is full of it, and so is every other end-time preacher who claims we are already in the last days.  I want to see the kingdom of our Lord come and I do wish to serve God in those days, but they are not here yet,  if now actually was the tribulation? all I can say is that would be the biggest disappointment EVER.  This would be the most pathetic end-times.  I can't even express it in writing.

 

Everything I ever read in the bible tells me that the end times are not some secret event,

 

Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

Now I would add, that those days will certainly be a surprise when they begin to happen, but once things get going there will be no doubt that the age is ending...

 

Hope that helps,

Sincerely,

Paul Stringini

----- Original Message -----

From: Name Withheld

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 9:21 AM

Subject: Re: Question about the end times and the 6th trump.

Thank You, for a fast response...... So I take it the " four angels havent been loosed"?? According to Pm "the angels are loosed".

Thanks

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Name Withheld

Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 12:16 PM

Subject: Re: Question about the end times and the 6th trump.

That would be an affirmative.  For perspective, consider that Arnold said that the anti Christ would be appearing in 1981, then  fourteen years later in 1995 at the Passover meeting he said we were in the fifth trump, now sixteen years after that we are in the sixth trump?

 

And all that time he has been saying we were in the end times... And he wants us to believe that he has some "special knowledge" that the four angels have been invisibly, and imperceptibly loosed, we just have to take his word for it.

 

The common thread through all this is Arnold himself, prophecy revolves around him and his life, we must be in the end times, because of Arnold.

 

"he shall die, and not see any of his predictions come to pass;"

http://oraclesofgod.org/1980/1980.htm

 

I prophesied a few years ago that Arnold Murray would die and never see the end times, after he dies, remind your Chapel friends that I am 1 for 1.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Name Withheld

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 1:37 PM

Subject: Re: Question about the end times and the 6th trump.

It seems his PO meetings are very popular for end time prophecy. That is where my questions came from... Its a big to-do now. There are even some followers predicting that we may see AntiChrist reveal himself sometime btw the end of May
and the middle of July, with a time of day in mind. That right there got my wheels turning........ It was always my understanding that the 6th trumpet sounded when Ac revealed himself....Sorry for all the questions.

 

Thanks so  much for taking the time out to answer my questions,

Name Withheld

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Name Withheld

Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 6:04 PM

Subject: Re: Question about the end times and the 6th trump.

not a problem in the least,  if I didn't love talking about the bible, I wouldn't be doing this, thanks for taking the time to write.

 

Sincerely,

Paul Stringini