----- Original Message -----

From: Name withheld

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 10:16 AM

Subject: Dr. Murry

It is very sad to read your writings about this man,  I do believe that you were not able to understand the deeper level of teachings.  You expected a different sort of teaching from this man,...I think that you expected him to say at some point that we are not going to be taught in level three or two or one etc., and not have this man teach in a way that everyone could listen to him and discern the different levels  that he taught all in the one sermon.
I read most of your 'letter' but you never really said anything.  You never gave me any reason why i should doubt the teachings of Arnold Murray, and like yourself I listen to him teach for almost one whole year until I was just getting too smart about the bible, and my friends refused to talk to me any longer since I could debunk any of there fly away doctrine, how do you like that?? can still quote the man,  
now were do you work, I noticed that you are actually 'not begging for money' but you are asking that money be sent to you so that you can carry on your writings, and who do you think is going to do that, shouldn't you be listening to Mike Murdock, instead of Murry?? I really think that you were looking for a way to live off of this bible teaching and you failed and that is your reason for being so angry, am I close??
 
You are so young and yet you have not spoken about your wife, were is she now, at work, while your writing on the computer,  I'll bet the Dr. had a field day with the way you wanted to live your life  
 
anyway you have not convinced me to believe your teachings, even though you want to write more about them, if you had the donations to do so, what is that all about, your want to make a living off of teaching Gods word, and you have failed because God is not in your corner, you have not found a way to extort money from the people yet, but I am sure you will find a way to keep your message out there, and yes I do believe that this man is an honest God fearing man, and yes I do believe in the three earth ages, and yes I believe that we were all souls before we were born of women, and I do believe that GOD is three entities, and that Satan will arrive before the return of Jesus, because it is all written in his Word, that is why and the pastor has proved it to me through the scriptures, not because it is some sort of theory he has made up, thank you and have a nice day, apparently you were just reading over the scriptures instead of studying them, you should go back and start at the beginning since it is January and I am sure that Dr. Murray will be studying Genesis again,   

Name Withheld

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Name Withheld

Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 4:57 PM

Subject: Re: Dr. Murry

Well, you are entitled to your opinions, but if you really want answers to your questions you ought to look a little harder first before you start making a fool of yourself.

 

It is very sad to read your writings about this man,  I do believe that you were not able to understand the deeper level of teachings.  You expected a different sort of teaching from this man,...I think that you expected him to say at some point that we are not going to be taught in level three or two or one etc., and not have this man teach in a way that everyone could listen to him and discern the different levels  that he taught all in the one sermon.

Well the "three levels" thing is part of the confidence game he plays.   I don't see "three levels"  Where does that IDEA come from?  The bible?  No Ma'am.  He made that up.  Actually, the "three levels" thing is a from of subtle indoctrination.  He knows that if he came out and declared what he believed many people would tune him out before he had his chance to seduce them.  He uses the :first level, to suck people in, the second to prepare the ground more fully, and the third is the actual teaching of lies.  It is a satanic method.

 

He flatters you if you accept his teachings.  If you can read sexual innuendo's into passages that imply no such things, then he says you must be one of God's elect.  If you can misappropriate scriptures to back up ideas which have no merit, then you have eyes to see and are one of God's elect, If you can pervert the word of God and corrupt the scripture, then God has certainly chosen you..  That is his game, flattery and corruption. He is his father's son.

 

I read most of your 'letter' but you never really said anything.  You never gave me any reason why i should doubt the teachings of Arnold Murray,

 

And I said in the letter that there would be more to come, I wrote that letter in 2007 and my webpage is filled with detailed refutations of Murray's doctrine that I have engaged in since then. But I did not do all that to convince hard cases like you.  I did it to derail people from getting involved in Murray's teachings before they become indoctrinated into them.

 

and like yourself I listen to him teach for almost one whole year until I was just getting too smart about the bible, and my friends refused to talk to me any longer since I could debunk any of there fly away doctrine, how do you like that?? can still quote the man,  

I don't believe in the rapture.

 

now were do you work,

 

That is none of your business. But, I am not shy about saying I have been in business with my family since I was 20.

 

 I noticed that you are actually 'not begging for money' but you are asking that money be sent to you so that you can carry on your writings,

 

Arnold asks for money every single broadcast, that is part of his hypocrisy, he does "not beg" but he is just playing games with words  that is called REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY because that guy is selling stuff constantly and raking in the dough and laughing at all you who adore him.  He says "I never beg" and then proceeds to say "Help us keep coming to you"  I never beg, "Help me, Help me,"  "we are brought to you by your tithes and offerings,"  "buy my cassettes and CD's,"  "donate to the chapel."  Flattery and contradiction. He is a liar and a deceiver.

 

and who do you think is going to do that,

 

Whoever,  I just owe it to people to give them a chance to donate, there used to be no way to donate to my ministry, I repented and changed that about two years ago.

 

shouldn't you be listening to Mike Murdock, instead of Murry??

 

That is just dirty. But I think Murray is a better model for learning to get money out of people because he does it with more subtlety.  If you want to be a good con-man then watch Arnold Murray, he plays the confidence game almost perfectly. Flattery and contradiction.

 

I really think that you were looking for a way to live off of this bible teaching and you failed and that is your reason for being so angry, am I close??

 

No you have it out of order.  This is the truth:

 

In 1995 Arnold married me to my wife. In 1998  I started my website to share my scripture music with people, my first album was called "The Fear of Yahveh"  and it was totally free, I was still a chapel student, (I gave the chapel a box of 50).  I made lots more more music and offered it free online. During the late 90's I began to be somewhat skeptical about some of the chapel doctrines ( I mostly agree with Murray about Hell and the rapture) but I did nothing about those feelings.  In 2005 I was approached by two young men who led me to a church where I received the holy spirit in power and I had a revelation of understanding in the scriptures.  Two years later in 2007 I felt led of God to do something about Arnold Murray and wrote that letter.  I was never angry at Murray not yet.

 

Several years went by and I added the donation button.  I didn't need the money.  It isn't about anger, it is about obeying God.  I am attacking Murray because God has bid me to do so.  I accept donations because it is only right if I receive some compensation for my efforts.

 

You are so young and yet you have not spoken about your wife, were is she now, at work, while your writing on the computer,  I'll bet the Dr. had a field day with the way you wanted to live your life  

You make a fool of yourself.  My wife is a stay-at-home mom, she home schools our seven children. Just how young do you take me to be? I'm 38 years old! AND What did you know about Murray's wife you hypocrite?  You are a typical dirty Shepherd's chapel student who is mean and vindictive, speaking about things they are ignorant of and making personal attacks.

 

anyway you have not convinced me to believe your teachings, even though you want to write more about them, if you had the donations to do so,

 

I have tons of writings about them and I will do more, count on it.  It has nothing to do with donations. 

 

what is that all about, your want to make a living off of teaching Gods word, and you have failed because God is not in your corner, you have not found a way to extort money from the people yet, but I am sure you will find a way to keep your message out there,

 

They that labor in the word have a right to live off that labor, so says the scriptures and so does Arnold Murray despite his lies to the contrary.

 

and yes I do believe that this man is an honest God fearing man,

 

Then you have been fooled. I'm sorry for you.

 

and yes I do believe in the three earth ages, and yes I believe that we were all souls before we were born of women, and I do believe that GOD is three entities, and that Satan will arrive before the return of Jesus, because it is all written in his Word,

 

You are mixing things up, some true some false, but you don't want answers from me.

 

that is why and the pastor has proved it to me through the scriptures, not because it is some sort of theory he has made up,

 

Souls are formed in the womb, if you really studied for yourself you would know that.

 

 thank you and have a nice day,

 

I hope you were kidding, You insult me, and assassinate my character and then say "have a nice day"  I will, but I'm not taking orders from you!.  You never once tried to defend the doctrine or question anything I actually said.  All you have done is shown the world the kind of mean-spirited person is a typical student of Arnold Murray, you are indeed the fruit of his labor and an example for all to observe.

 

apparently you were just reading over the scriptures instead of studying them, you should go back and start at the beginning since it is January and I am sure that Dr. Murray will be studying Genesis again,   

Is that how you think it goes?

 

Sincerely,

Paul Stringini

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Name Withheld

To: some joker

Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 5:36 PM

Subject: do not respond, brushing off the dust

lol,
i am sorry that I upset you so much on new years day,  it must of really hit a nerve, but that is o.k, have you ever re-read your emails, that you send back to people after you have asked them to reply to you with their feelings and opinion of the man????
please, all you did was  insult me and write rude comments, after you asked for me/people to send you an email, I guess you get off on all of your hate mail that you send out, you sure will not convince me to be in your corner, and you never said anything or quoted any scripture again, but you still condemn another persons believes,  and don't forget mr. murray was already well off before he started his ministry 
please don't bother replying to this email with more of your hate mail and your rude comments, I really don't have time for this,  I was only looking for an answer to my question when I stumbled upon your essay about a man you pretend to like,  or at least try to convince people you still like, but it comes through very clear that your mad at the world about someting, I feel sorry for your seven children,
and your opinion of mike murdock after he asked the people to default on their mortage payments and send him the money so he could get rich, and you say he is good, that pretty much tells it all for me.

oh well have a nice evening, and a grest new years, 
 
I'm shaking the dust off my feet  

I never gave an opinion on Mike Murdock. She suggests that there had been a "question" that she wanted an answer about some guy named "Mike Murdock"  I don't know Mike Murdock, I'm sure I know the name, and I can deduce that he must be some sort of prosperity preacher, but I have not watched TV teachers in over a decade.  She assumes I watch TV all day or something.  I don't have TV (neither cable nor broadcast) in my house.  I don't approve of anyone on TV (but that does not mean I condemn them all either...). 

This was her question:

shouldn't you be listening to Mike Murdock, instead of Murry??

 
In my opinion that is obviously a rhetorical question.  She failed to understand what I meant by "dirty."  I was not defending Mike Murdock.  I was saying it was dirty to compare my ministry to the ministry of some random prosperity preacher off the TV.

"That is just dirty. But I think Murray is a better model for learning to get money out of people because he does it with more subtlety.  If you want to be a good con-man then watch Arnold Murray, he plays the confidence game almost perfectly. Flattery and contradiction."