----- Original Message -----

From: Name Withheld

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:33 AM

Subject: Youve got the corner

Just had to right you ,,,no pun intended
You sound even worse than Arnold  
when you say "why listen to Arnold when you can listen to me"
Who are you I might ask,,,Just another delusional man who thinks he
has heard from GOD...Y0O were appointed as our Earthly Advocate?
 
You read like you were fairly Intelligent but it sounds like you have a chip on your shoulders
Why dont you use all that energy to help the poor or visit the sick or people who are in prison ?
 
An Interesting note....Cain was half Adamic I agree ..but how do you explain the enmity between the woman seed and
the serpent seed ? and why do you think Cain"s (Geneses 5) genealogy is not mentioned in Adams genealogy? chapt. 4
Who do you think fathered Cain?   a Fig Tree?
 
One thing I have learned  in my life is never openly tear down another mans work in public ...There are consequences
I can attest to that
Name Withheld

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Name Withheld

Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 4:30 PM

Subject: Re: Youve got the corner

Hi, Name Withheld, Thank you for taking the time to write me, I took your questions seriously, and I expect you to take my reply seriously.

 

Just had to right you ,,,no pun intended

To make me right?  The best way to get me righted is to get your own crooked perspective straightened out.  Then you will see I am already in the right.

 

You sound even worse than Arnold  when you say "why listen to Arnold when you can listen to me"

 

Two points,  first, that is the opposite of the way Arnold is, he uses reverse psychology "don't listen to this man...." etc. a confidence tactic which inspires trust in the weak-minded.

 

Second Point, you not only misquoted me, but you missed the spirit of what was said

 

"Why read all this wrangling over Dr. Murray's errors when you can listen to my free, book by book, chapter by chapter, line by line,  audio Bible study and hear the truth!"

 

That is what I said.  The point was that reading all this debate and strife (which is mostly my own writing) is not as good as just listening to a good bible study. I was saying "Why read this when you can listen to that."  And it was said in a fairly obvious lighthearted manner.  I understand you though, you are grasping for things to accuse me of. 

 

Let me share something with you.  There is no point in attacking me for things that I am not actually doing or guilty of (this is called the staw-man tactic) .  You may make me angry because I hate being mischaracterized, but when I patiently reply to your unreasonable and silly accusation, you will bear the smell of defeat.  Staw-men are easy to knock down, but when the real guy shows everyone you have been fighting a dummy, you will then yourself be exposed to ridicule.

Who are you I might ask,,,Just another delusional man who thinks he
has heard from GOD...Y0O were appointed as our Earthly Advocate?

 

How would you know the difference, have you listened to my bible studies? We have all heard from God. 

 

Romans 10:18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world

 

I hear from God every day, he speaks to me from the scriptures. He speaks to me from them when I write, I've spent a lot of time listening to him. The difference between Arnold Murray and me is that I listen carefully to what God is saying.  Arnold Murray teaches the bible what to say, but the bible teaches me what to say.

 

You read like you were fairly Intelligent but it sounds like you have a chip on your shoulders

 

I am not fairly intelligent, there is nothing fair about the grace that has been given me.  And I do have a chip on my shoulder. Isn't that what you came here to do?  Take a shot at me?  You are the kind of guy who likes to knock chips off shoulders and get a bloody nose.

 

Why dont you use all that energy to help the poor or visit the sick or people who are in prison ?
 

God gave some money and others time, but to me he gave words.  Of all that I have, I have shared freely.  I am content to submit to the judgment of the poor and captives but to your judgment I will not  submit.

An Interesting note....Cain was half Adamic I agree 

 

I believe, in context, we do not agree.  But point taken. Cain was Eve's son and therefore Adamic in origin if only for that reason.  If Christ was a son of Adam, then so was Cain.

 

..but how do you explain the enmity between the woman seed and
the serpent seed ?

 

Does it require an explanation?  God declared the enmity.  "I will put enmity"  That is the explanation.  You have to be more specific, I don't understand the question.

 

and why do you think Cain"s (Geneses 5) genealogy is not mentioned in Adams genealogy?

 

Because it is not Adam's "genealogy"  It is the descent of NOAH.   There were a lot of other folks not mentioned in that genealogy, because they were not related to Noah.

 

Also, it is worth Noting that while Cain does not Appear in Noah's Genealogy, Adam does appear in Cain's genealogy, in Chapter 4, Verses 2-16 are a PARENTHESIS in Cain's "genealogy."

 

Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

This formula is repeated OVER AND OVER, And so-and-so knew his wife and she conceived and bare so-and-so.  It is the FORMULA for reproduction in the bible.  It means what it says.  It is the height of arrogance and foolishness, and the devil's work to try to say Adam was not the Father of Cain, This is what I meant, THE BIBLE IS MY TEACHER.  Arnold Murray is the teacher of the bible, he tell it what it means.  I just listen.  The bible clearly teaches that Cain was the product of the union of Adam and Eve, all other opinions amount to heresy which is a very grave sin and will result in exclusion from the kingdom of God (Gal 5)

 

chapt. 4
Who do you think fathered Cain?   a Fig Tree?

 

I believe I have answered that.  And if you had an ounce of honor or of divine favor, you would be humbled and repent and start studying with someone who follows the bible, yes, someone like me.  You should have figured this out on your own but you are too willing to be led astray.  God help you.

 

(And by the way, that was another straw man. "a fig tree"  of course I wouldn't say that, but you felt good writing it, but now you look silly to neutral observers, fig tree indeed)

One thing I have learned  in my life is never openly tear down another mans work in public ...There are consequences
I can attest to that

I have no doubt you learned that in life, because I can attest that you did not learn that from the bible.

 

1 Timothy 5:20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

 

2Tim 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
(Arnold errs in precisely the same way, by the way)

 

When you refuse to publicly oppose heresy you not only prove that you despise the people who are being led astray by it.  You also prove that you do not hold the truth itself in high regard, because you would allow heresy to exult itself unchallenged.  You hate the truth and you hate the people who are misled.  You would rather see them destroyed than lift a finger against the reputation of a false prophet heretic scoundrel like Arnold Murray.  That is pretty deep darkness you are in there Name Withheld, in the name of Jesus Christ, snap out of it.

 

Sincerely,

Paul Stringini

----- Original Message -----

From: Name Withheld

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:01 PM

Subject: RE: Youve got the corner

Strawman Here.......
How are you Paul ?
I will just say that there is a "spirit" about your writings that is mostly good
but there again is all about perception and with the 1% of the total knowledge of the universe,
we humans can only scratch the surface of knowledge of GOD and hope weve got it right,
I myself have chosen to spend my time learning rather than tear down what others feel they may  have learned.
Yes i agree we are supposed to oppose what we perceive as evil or wrong but is anyone always right?
I feel that you in error because you are setting yourself up as judge and the only Judge is GOD !
 
By This you will know them that they have love for one another,,,
 
I will conclude with this because I have already spent to much time on the subject
I have never heard Arnold put down another mans work and I don't agree with everything he teaches,
just like I don't agree with most of what you say either but I do know this:
 
JUDGE NOT LEST YOU BE JUDGED
 
Godspeed 
Brother;
Name Withheld 

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Name Withheld

Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 5:21 PM

Subject: Re: Youve got the corner

I don't judge anything. I listen to the judgment which God has already pronounced.  Your writing is full of judgment.  You judge me, but you don't even know what righteousness or love is, according to the scriptures.  By your standard, you are guilty of the same thing you accuse me of.  Here I am, following God as best I can, and along you come and start judging my work.  You condemn yourself.  But I don't condemn you, because it is love to rebuke the sinner, and you think I'm doing something wrong, but you will be judged based on YOUR judgment of me, not based on what I think.  Even though the truth is that your opinion is entirely based on human opinion and experience.  The word of God explicity commands us to rebuke people, and while I think there is some descretion to keep private sins private, but it is also clear from the scripture that when someone is corrupting the scriptures publicly it is necessary that they be publicly rebuked for it.  It is a simple principle of the law.

 

Leviticus 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

 

That  is what I'm doing to you now, because I don't hate you.

 

Arnold Murray's prohibition against naming dangerous preachers is itself heretical and dangerous.  It is like letting an unrepentant child molester live in the neighborhood and refusing to notify families with children.  The only difference is that a false teacher is more dangerous than a child molester. 

 

Maybe you think Arnold Murray is mostly ok, but it is not because he never criticises other people, that is just a self serving trick designed to insulate himself from critics.  He makes an instant sinner out of anyone who speaks a word against him.  Very convenient.

 

Here is the UTTER HYPOCRISY, he does not need to name the false teachers he goes after, because when you see anyone teaching the rapture you know he is a false teacher based on Arnold Murray's teachings already(and based on the bible).  Arnold does not need to name them specifically because there are so many of them.  But every time he teaches against this doctrine or that doctrine he is condemning churches, denominations, and preachers.  All his talk about not naming people is just smoke and mirrors.  It is just a trick to make himself seem soooo gracious, but he is really just serving himself.  And when it comes to Dr. Murray, well, his teachings are much more rare, and he is one of the only notable identity preachers out there, plus there are all these people who have questions about him, and moreover, there is no biblical reason not to come out and name the scoundrel. 

 

Have you ever even studied this doctrine? (IE The false doctrine that says it is righteous to refuse to name the corrupters of the word of God)  What is the scriptural basis for this doctrine?  THERE IS NONE.  No one has EVER even offered a single verse to support it except "love one another"  which they don't even understand to begin with. What do you base your beliefs on?  Man or the bible?  If you say the bible, you are fooling yourself, you are a sloppy student, lazy, letting slick Jacks' like Murray string you along.  Love is what does good not what makes us feel good. 

 

And I'm perfectly willing to be judged on the same basis on which I judge others, thatx is another verse you get a failing grade on.

 

John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

 

We don't make ourselves judges, God has judged everything already, we need only heed the judgment of God.  You are the one setting yourself up as a judge.  You have not listened to what God says that love does, so you have made your own standard.  You have not listened to the judgment of God, so you have set yourself up, making judgments for yourself "It is unrighteous to criticize false teachers by name." YOU HYPOCRITE!  Name Withheld, you are a HYPOCRITE!  YOU  are the one making it up as you go along.  YOU are the one who will be judge by his own judgments, you say it is wrong to criticize another Man's work?  Then why are you writing me you HYPOCRITE?

 

"I myself have chosen to spend my time learning rather than tear down what others feel they may  have learned."

I say  that you lie to yourself, you hypocrite.  And that is LOVE.

 

Sincerely,

 

Paul Stringini

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Name Withheld

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 6:35 PM

Subject: RE: Youve got the corner

mission accomplished   ,,,,sounds like your a little mad,   Got you thinking ?
I would never say anything public about you Paul,,,this is private right?
You will get it someday....as for now?
 
Take care man ...I wont contact you anymore
 

----- Original Message -----

From:  Paul Stringini

To: Name Withheld

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 1:23 PM

Subject: Re: Youve got the corner

Sorry to disappoint, but I'm not mad. That last message was one I shared with my wife, you, being a typical hypocrite.  She thought I nailed you pretty much dead to rights. I always write earnestly, I'm not one of those light people who pretend like it is all a game. And I always think, I certainly wasn't waiting for you to get me thinking, I think I could have answered your message in my sleep.  Lord knows I have answered the same questions over and over and over.  You can be all smug and think yourself better, but I know what you are. My mission was accomplished too.

 

2Cor2:14 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.
15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?
17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

----- Original Message -----

From:  Paul Stringini

To:  Name Withheld

Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 1:28 PM

Subject: Re: Youve got the corner

And no, it is not private, I thought you looked at my website.  All these messages get posted to my website (but there is a significant delay)  None of your personal information will appear on my website, I carefully delete the name and email adress from all emails.  So people won't know who you are, but they will certainly read what you say.  And if you are unwilling to speak against me publicly then you hate everyone that I turn from "the truth."  And I am certainly turning people away from the Shepherd's Chapel.  And I am certainly teaching people that false teachers should be publicly exposed.  But I guess you don't even care.  You are one hard, hateful man.