----- Original Message -----

From: Name Withheld

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:37 PM

Subject: DR. ARNOLD MURRAY

I WATCHED HIS SHOW FOR AN ENITRE DAY AND HE SPOKE OF BLASPHEMY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. ACCORDING TO HIS BELIEF ONCE YOU ARE AWARE OF GODS LAWS IF YOU ACT AGAINST THEM (EXAMPLE IF YOU FALL TO THE FLESH AND STEAL) YOU ARE COMMITTING BLASPHEMY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. SINCE WE KNOW BLASPHEMY OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE UNPARDONABLE SIN, WE ARE DOOMED TO HELL. SO, WHAT HE IS SAYING IS THAT JESUS WAS NOT ENOUGH TO COVER THE SINS OF THE WORLD, YESTERDAY, TODAY AND TOMORROW? IF THAT IS THE CASE EXACTLY WHERE DOES REPENTANCE COME IN?

IF I WERE TO BELIEVE THIS TO BE TRUE, I'D END MY LIFE NOW!

 WHAT WOULD BE THE SENCE OF GOING ON WHEN YOU KNOW YOUR DOOMED AND WHERE YOU’RE GOING? NO BEGGING GOD WILL CHANGE THE FACT THAT YOU WILL BE LIVING IN HELL. WHY HOLD OFF THE ENEVATABLE?

JESUS SAID; HE CAME TO SAVE THE WORLD NOT TO CONDEMN IT. 

NO ONE IS PERFECT. GOD MAKES THAT VERY CLEAR WHEN HE SAYS WE ALL HAVE FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD.

HE ALSO TEACHES THAT WE LIVED WITH GOD IN HEAVEN BEFORE WE WERE BORN OF OUR MOTHERS THROUGH WATER. THAT WE WERE ALL SPIRITS IN HEAVEN WITH GOD AND THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS BEING BORN AGAIN.

 ALSO WE DO NOT NEED TO BE BAPTIZED BECAUSE THE WATER BAPTISM SPOKE OF IN THE BIBLE IS WHEN WE ARE BORN AND OUR MOTHER'S WATER BREAKS... THAT IS THE WATER HE SAYS GOD SPEAKS OF?

IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN WHAT WAS JOHN THE BAPTIST DOING? I'M VERY SURE HE WAS BAPTIZING ALL TO WASH AWAY OUR SINS AND WE BECOME RIGHTEOUS IN THE EYES OF GOD AND IF WE DO FALL SHORT WE REPENT AND GOD THROWS OUR SIN AS FAR TO THE EAST AS TO THE WEST. NEVER TO BE REMEMBERED AGAIN

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Name Withheld

Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 1:53 PM

Subject: Re: DR. ARNOLD MURRAY

Hi, most of your questions seemed rhetorical or were statements.  I assume you do know that I am an outspoken critic of Arnold Murray's teachings, but the tone of your letter left me a little unsure if you really knew that. 

 

The blasphemy against the Holy spirit is understood by three passages and it is very easy to understand by simply reading it.  Matthew 12:22-34 and Mark 3:22-30 and Luke 12:10 (With Matthew and Mark being the clearest passages, especially Mark 3:30)

 

From these passages the blasphemy of the holy spirit is specifically identified as those who said that Christ cast out devils by the power of the devil.  And far from being "unforgivable" he said it "shall not be forgiven" which is different.  I really advise people not to read too much into these passages, the men that this was directed towards were hard and wicked men who repented not at the preaching of Christ.  They had seen his works, they had acknowledged the works, and they had then ascribed them to the devil because he did not respect their persons (basically). 

 

A Christian that desires to do the will of God and is humble should not worry about this.  Someone who is proud and tends to condemn other believers and dismiss the powers that work good in their life, for example, someone who might say that tongues are demonic, they may be treading on thin ice, for example, when I was opposed to speaking in tongues I was very careful to say I thought it was of the flesh or that it was faked, this was blasphemy against the person, I was careful not to call it demonic (not that the devil's work should not be identified and fought). but I'll let God judge it.

 

If someone thinks they have committed blasphemy of the holy spirit they should trust in the forgiveness of Christ first and foremost.  There is really no other option unless they like the idea of wallowing in despair.   I had rather waste my life vainly trusting in Christ than appearing before his throne having yielded to unbelief.  When I first Got the Holy Spirit I received a tremendous gift of righteousness and I thought I was complete, but after about six months of excusing myself from small sins I sinned a big sin and realized that I still needed to perfect holiness in the fear of God.

 

2Cor 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

 

I am a great believer in adding to my faith and growing up into Christ (2 Peter 1, Ephesians 4:15), this would be impossible if when I sinned knowing it was wrong it was all over, the new testament contains instructions for dealing with brethren that sin (and even when they are caught 

Gal . 6: 1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

 

Also there is Romans 2: About judging people who do sins that you have done:

 

4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

If God was patient with us we ought to be patient with others, unless we hate the patience and longsuffering of God (God forbid)  This is one of those passages it really bears meditating on.

 

Many times in prayer I have had to remind myself to pray not, "Lord have mercy" but "Lord you are so merciful to me, I trust in your mercy."  God's work is perfect, but I also need to be perfect (Matthew 5 last verse), not TO be saved, but BECAUSE I am saved, because God is my Father,  because Christ shall call me brother, because I shall be like him, we are called to perfection.  Some people think they are perfect/complete the moment they believe, they say that they do not need to change, "Just as I am and I'll stay that way , thank you!".  Anyone who would settle for remaining the same as they were the day they believed hasn't really believed in Christ, because Christ calls us to become sons of God, it is his work to change us and we ought to be enthusiastic about that work.  The parable of the sower and numerous other examples show that profession of belief in Christ is not the end of faith.

 

You asked about some of Arnold Murrays's teachings but you already seem to know the answers, I have written extensively on all these subject on my website so unless you have a specific question I'm going to agree that all the teachings of Arnold Murray which you mentioned are indeed false doctrines.  Arnold Murray is in the habit of believing that the bible is saying something other than that which is written on the page.

 

If you are looking for strict biblical teachings, line by line, I can recommend my free teachings

 

Sincerely,

Paul Stringini

----- Original Message -----

From: Name Withheld

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:53 PM

Subject: Fwd: DR. ARNOLD MURRAY

Subject: Re: DR. ARNOLD MURRAY

There is one thing I noticed he says over and over but I honestly don't understand what he is trying to convey. If you differ from his belief or question his teachings we are called Bible thumpers. What is a "Bible thumper"?  

I'm having a very hard time being fed the word because I suffer severe pain and can not attend church. 

I used to make myself attend any and all healing services. Benny Hinn, Jessie Duplantis ...many others but I never got the healing. When I went to the Benny Hinn healing , I was very thrown because one of the people working for him passed by a crippled man in an electric chair and pulled out someone in a wheel chair that would stand up if asked. If that person would get out of the wheel chair they would be chosen to go up for a healing. I thought to myself... I have more faith that God would heal the crippled man then his staff. His sister cried her heart out as they left. No healing for her brother, how very sad. 

I would very much appreciate any teaching I can get. I watch John Hagee, Joseph Prince, Les Feldick, Jimmy Swaggart, once in a while Joyce Meyer, Jessie Duplantis, Charles Stanley there are a few more.

My Pastor came to the hospital once to see me and once to me home but that ended.

I was told to read over and over any and all Bible scripture about healings and to rebuke this illness in the name of Jesus but it never leaves.

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Name Withheld

Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 4:18 PM

Subject: Re: DR. ARNOLD MURRAY

The way Arnold Murray uses the term, "Bible thumper" really does not make much sense because from the perspective of most people Arnold Murray is a 'Bible Thumper" himself.  The idea of "Bible Thumper" is of a person who would "thump" their bible and make some sort of pronouncement such as "This bible says that murder is a sin!"  So the idea of a "Bible Thumper" is a sort of insult against people who reference the bible, especially while holding one and gesturing towards it or perhaps striking it.  I bet the urban dictionary has a good entry on that.  Obviously though,  Arnold Murray is himself a "Bible Thumper,"  it is just that HE does not fancy himself so.  He thinks by using insulting terms like "bible thumper" against other believers, he can insulate himself from being labeled a "bible thumper."  It is really very silly.

 

I had meant to give you the link to my bible studies page, I recommend the series on Matthew as a starter,

 

http://oraclesofgod.org/studies/studies.html

As to the matter of healing I have had some small experience.  A little over six years ago I was a very drug and alcohol addicted man.  I was not happy about it because I was also a believer but it seemed like no matter what I did no matter how I asked, or no matter whatever I could not get free from these debilitating sins that were ruining my life.  I don't think sin is really much different than disease, even Jesus said, "which is easier to say, get up and walk or  your sins are forgiven you?"  Anyway, I had been a zealous believer for over ten years all the while suffering with this sin, which unlike disease you really do feel justified in blaming yourself.  I had prayed with many tears, I had fasted, I had laid naked in the snow (don't know why, but its true).  I really wanted to get God's attention.  I was really beginning to lose my faith a bit, I did believe in Christ's resurrection but I began to think he didn't really care about anything that happened concerning me. 

 

Eventually I got an email from a young man who was a fan of my music (I also sing the bible and set it to music you can download all kinds of free bible songs from my website http://oraclesofgod.org) He an a friend visited me  in March of 2005 and they brought me back to their church where I heard righteousness preached, really for the first time.  I went home with many thoughts and I decided to return the following day and ask some people there to lay their hands on me and pray with me that I might receive the holy spirit.  This I did and I remember how I stood there with these three other men having their hands on me and I felt silly and said to my self, "Paul, you are going to stand here al day like an idiot and nothing is going to happen."  to which I answered "Come on Paul, you have to have a little faith,"  and I whispered, "Lord Jesus grant me my hearts desire.  And suddenly a power came over me that felt like high frequency vibrations over my hands, my feet, my ears and then my lips (in that order) and then when I tried to speak it came out tongues etc. etc. I was delivered from my greatest enemies and the way I understood the scriptures was revolutionized. 

 

I can't really say why it happened then and not the hundred other times I asked.  I can't say why my wife did not receive the holy spirit for another two years after that though many more people laid hands on her, eventually she received the holy spirit alone in her bathroom.  I know some people have alternative explanations for what happened to me, but I don't really care about that.

 

I want to hear that you are healed but I also know that there is really nothing you or I can do except to continue in faith, if you are built up in the faith then I'm sure you will receive healing and I would that is was in this present world.  I'm thankful that my afflictions are small by comparison, I feel terrible for you but you do build up my faith,  when someone like you sees the fraud perpetrated by these fakes and still has faith in Christ, that really gives me hope. I fervently wish my ministry was to heal people's bodies, but it seems to me that God is not placing this power with any "special" man at this time, probably because God does not desire to single out any ministry as special, at this time.  I fervently believe that Christ still works miracles, just not through some notable man or the other.  He will work his miracle for you, but he does not seem to be looking for glory from such things at this time,  that is just my opinion.    The end time ministry will be plague and fire and famine, not healing and restoration.  But still, God may yet heal you,  I pray that he will heal you, perhaps he would like to testify of my ministry and heal you, listen to my bible studies and my music, the word of God is strong in my works and perhaps the lord will heal you as you listen to them.  I can't say how, but what I've learned is that it doesn't hurt to do different things, seek and you shall find, that means you have to KEEP SEEKING,  KEEP KNOCKING, until God opens it up the way.

 

 I hope in some measure that helps, I wish I had a more sure word for you, but the Lord has been gone a long time and sometimes it seems like all these TV guys have taken over, but because I do believe in the ministry God has given me I will believe that God will testify of the truth through healing.  But you probably ought to keep it quiet.

Sincerely,

 

Paul Stringini

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Name Withheld

Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2011 4:18 PM

Subject: Re: DR. ARNOLD MURRAY

Dear Name Withheld,

I can guarantee that when Jesus comes you will be healed at that very moment, there is no doubt about that.  That is why I said. "I would that it was in this present world,"  When Christ appears we will be changed, and I know that you will be healed at that time, count on it. And it wound be any of this stuff you see on TV, with people feebly rising from wheelchairs they may not even need and delicately hobbling along the stage.  That isn't a proper miracle.

Acts 3:2 And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, ...

6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.

7 And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.
8 And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God.

 

I know for certain that you will be healed in the resurrection, but as the father of seven children who has seen a child suffer, I hate seeing others suffer, I want to see people healed, I want to hear about you being healed. 

 

1Cor 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

 

1Cor 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

 

In the resurrection there will be no more sickness or disease, and your body will be repaired and enhanced beyond the human imagination.

 

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

 

I don't like to go directly to the promise of healing in the world to come.  I guess I'm always aware that some people find the promise of healing in the world to come to be small comfort for the pain they feel now.  Jesus raised many dead persons in his ministry. And he himself was raised incorruptible.  In many ways these things were intended to testify to his ministry and to the fact that he could make good on his promise

 

John 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me.

 

John 10:25 Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.

 

Many people quote the following verse to justify the miracles ministries,

 

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

"Works" means more than just miracles and in the sight of God a miracle  is not necessarily a great work.

 

John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Miracles cause belief but not always for the right reasons.

 

John 2:23 Now when he was in Jerusalem at the Passover, in the feast day, many believed in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did.
24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,
25 And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.

It certainly says in the last chapter that certain "signs" would follow them that believe, including laying hands on the sick and the sick recovering, That does not mean that Christians are supposed to be walking miracle factories, but as God desires to testify of a believer he will give a sign.   God still heal people and works miracles at the hands of believers but there is no longer a miracles ministry that heals everyone who comes to them in faith, I think every miracles ministry is currently faking it and ought to be ashamed. You don't have to have a lot of faith to be healed, YOU JUST NEEED ENOUGH TO KEEP ASKING.

 

Anyway,  you certainly build up my faith.  When I see someone with such afflictions who believes is makes me ashamed of my small afflictions and wonder.

 

 

Sincerely,

Paul Stringini