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"You seriously need to study the bible more!!  How can you NOT believe in the Kenites?!! "

A lesson in how to silence a zealous Chapel Student

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My Response:

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From: Paul Stringini

To: Name Withheld

Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 2:35 PM

Subject: Re: Arnold Murrays/God has blessed me with his teachings....

Hello. My goodness!  This is a bit of writing, and your zeal certainly warrants a response.  Please read my words carefully, you owe a debt to the truth to test and see if the things I say are true.  (your words are in bold)

 

You seriously need to study the bible more!!  How can you NOT believe in the Kenites?!! 

 

There are several reasons, but first of all I would like you to consider what the profit of "believing in the Kenites" is. 

I believe in Jesus Christ unto salvation.  What do you believe in the Kenites UNTO?  Certainly people called Kenites existed in the bible, but the doctrine taught by pastor Murray fails on several levels. 

 

1) Cain was Adam's Genetic Son, that is what the bible teaches.

 

Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain,

 

That is a very clear verse. Let me translate it for you  Adam had SEX with his wife AND she CONCEIVED and bare Cain.  If Satan was the real Father of Cain, this verse would be highly misleading and you would have to ask why it was written that way if it was not true.  If Cain and Abel are indeed twins (and I don't argue with that basic premise), it is still clear that the bible declares that Cain's conception was a DIRECT result of ADAM having intercourse with Eve.

 

Gen 4:25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth:

 

Same formula.

 

And at some point you have to ask yourself this question:  Do I allow the bible to teach me?  Or am I the one manipulating and directing the bible to fit into something? In the garden of Eden, Pastor Murray engages in severe manipulation of the scriptures, but when you read it, as it is written, it really seems to be saying something else. The passage in Genesis seems to be a simple narrative.  The bible never hints that this passage should be taken as a parable or that it contains hidden sexual innuendos. 

Also worthy of note: Pastor Murray does not treat other narrative passages in the Old Testament the way he treats Genesis 3 and 4, i.e. by ignoring the plain meaning of the passage and inserting a radically different meaning. (i.e. when the angel "touches" the hollow of Jacob's thigh,  Arnold does not drag out the Strong's Concordance and tell you how "touch" can mean "to lie with a woman" (and he does not address the fact that such usage of this word "touch" is only by euphemism).

I have chosen to listen to the scriptures instead of listening to someone who directly contradicts the plain meaning of plainly written passages, I suggest you do the same.

 

2) In 2Cor 11 "Beguiled" does not imply sexual seduction. 

 

This is one of the areas where Pastor Murray abuses the Strong's concordance and uses "suggestion" to make people see things his way.  The Greek word exapatao  (which Pastor Murray, the great scholar, seems incapable of pronouncing correctly).  Comes from the root apatao which means to cheat.  The prefix ex intensifies the meaning of the root (ex means out)  Literally it means to out-cheat.  (In English we use the prefix "out" in a similar fashion, e.g. outwit, outmaneuver, or outlast.)  When Strong defined exapatao as "to seduce wholly"  he could have used different words  (like deceive wholly). That was an unfortunate choice, for people who do not do their homework. You have to understand that the English word "seduce" doe not require a sexual meaning,  Dr.  Strong did not account for the perversity of men's minds.  Today we think of "seduce" in mostly sexual terms, but the word does not HAVE to mean sexually seduce, only context can determine the nature of the seduction.  Seduction can take many forms.  But Pastor Murray basically suggests that seduce wholly means seduce sexually, but it does not. 

  

Just like "cheat" can mean "adultery"  (in English) seduce can mean sex (in English), but Pastor Murray acts Like the word exapatao in Greek MEANS sex, and that is totally wrong.  Pastor Murray acts like looking up that word in your Strong's Concordance reveals the sexual nature of the passage, but it does not.  He is misleading people based on his own poor scholarship and willingness to corrupt the truth for the sake the advancement of his own ideas.

 

Unlike you, I have studied Hebrew and Greek, (not that I am an expert) and unlike Pastor Murray I do not merely use Hebrew and Greek or appeal to my own authority as some sort of scholar when it suits me and in order to manipulate the scriptures.  The Word "exapatao" (#1818) occurs Five times in the new testament:  Here are all of them:

 

Romans 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
Romans 16:18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

1Corinthians 3:18 18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 

2Corinthians 11:3 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

2Thessalonians 2:3 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (And, no, I do NOT believe in the rapture)

 

How do I know these are all of them?  Because I have a New Englishman's Greek Concordance, it is basically a Greek version of the Strong's.

 

As you can see, if you translate every one of these "seduce" instead of deceive and beguile, these passages do not become revelations of carnal sexual misdeeds.  The truth is that one may be "beguiled" sexually as well as seduced sexually, and there is not a bit of difference between the two.  Deceive is probably  a little weak for this Greek word, nevertheless,  there is no sexual meaning EMBEDDED in the Greek word exapatao ( and if you have not caught on, exapatao is the Greek word Pastor Murray pronounces "Ex-potti-o" )

 

3) Cain is not in the Genealogy that leads to Noah, simply because Noah did not descend from Cain. 

 

This is so simple, but I get this thrown at me all the time. "Cain is not in Adam's Genealogy!" But it is a red herring. I can also counter by saying that neither is Satan in Cain's genealogy.  I can suggest several reasons why Cain's genealogy stands alone, but it is a radical leap of logic to say that it was because Adam was not his father.  After all, the bible had already said in Genesis 4:1 that Adam was the one who got Eve pregnant with Cain.  So why would Uncle Cain be listed in a chain of Fathers leading to Noah when he was not the father of anyone in that line?

 

4)  Cain was of the devil spiritually, all the Children of the devil are his children spiritually, NOT literally/genetically. 

 

1John3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

The serpent seed in not based on semen any more that God's seed is implanted in us by God coming down and having sex with us.

 

1 John3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

 

Cain was "of that wicked one"  Why?  Because Satan was his biological Father? NO?  Because his own works were evil and his brother's righteous. THAT is what makes a Devil's child.  It has nothing to do with who your parents are.  That is a racist and un-Christian idea. 

 

5)  Cain's descendant's did not survive the flood (unless by one of the wives of Noah's Sons), but even so, a people called "Kenites" do not appear in the scriptures until the time of Moses, and in all the History of the people called Kenites there is nothing untoward written of them, no special wickedness is assigned to them, they are just another tribe of people, and their father Rechab, very well may have had no relation to the Cain from Genesis 4, I have neighbors with the surname "Cain,"  and based on that you could call them Kenites, but that does not mean that they are descendants of Cain the son of Adam.  There is nothing in the bible that connects any of the later Kenites to the original Cain except the shared name.

It is also worth noting that there is nothing sinister about those other Kenites written in the scriptures, that is all something Pastor Murray reads into the bible.

6)  Jesus and the Apostles themselves affirmed that the Jews he called the "children of the devil" were descended from Abraham by blood.

 

John 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.

 

Jesus is saying that they are LITERALLY, GENETICALLY, descendants of Abraham.  But he accuses them of having another Father.

38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

 

They are the Devil's children spiritually because they do THE WORKS of the Devil  Just like 1 John 3 says

 

1John3: 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God,

 

And this is the only possible interpretation, if we try the other way then we would say the scribes and Pharisees were of Abraham spiritually but of the devil by genetics.  It is not what Christ meant. 

 

You can be descended from anyone, but your works will determine whether you are a child of God or a child of Satan. Period.

 

The devil is a spirit, therefore his children are spiritual children.

 

Pastor Murray's doctrine is based on scattered verses in the old testament that are not necessarily connected.  It is also based on the misapplication of verses in the New Testament.  It is because I continued to study the bible that I began to see that Pastor Arnold Murray manipulates the scriptures, he emphasizes points he wants to be emphasized and he ignores points that are inconvenient.  I do not do that and so I recommend my free bible studies, you owe it to the truth to check me out.  You really don't have any excuse.

 

Proverbs 11:14 Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.

 

I presume you believe that you have studied sufficiently to determine good from evil?  And you think that you have done a good job checking out Arnold Murray?  Then what harm can there be in checking out my bible studies? You are instructed, you are wise, but if you have been at all slack, you owe it to the truth to check out what I say, because I say God has instructed me, you should be able to find out whether that is true or not.  And you ought to. http://oraclesofgod.org/studies/studies.html Like I said, it is all free. I recommend Matthew.

 

Obviously you have not studied the Greek or Hebrew language bible! 

 

I have studied it.  And I know you did not study it, because if you had studied the Greek and Hebrew, (as Pastor Murray recommends) you would have found that Pastor Murray uses the Hebrew and Greek when it is convenient for him, and neglects it when it is not.  You would have realized that he tells people to look up the words he wants them to look up, and also that Pastor Murray himself misuses the Strong's dictionary, and is not a very competent scholar of Hebrew or Greek.  For example, his abuse with regards to the Hebrew and Greek for "tree" "replenish" and "air." (And need I mention "exapatao"?)

I find that students of the Shepherd's Chapel tend to follow a "breadcrumb trail" which Murray lays out for them.  And then they call this "doing your homework."  That is terrible scholarship, it is a sham.  I checked him out and found that any person looking at his teachings objectively would have to say that he does not competently handle the study tools he promotes such as the Strong's concordance. 

 

 That's how Satan fools even people that go to churches. 

 

I don't go to church.  The way Pastor Murray fools the people who listen to him is by telling them that there are hidden meanings in the Hebrew and Greek that change the meanings of the passages he is reading to them from the plain meaning of the words.  He uses this tactic to make his corrupt interpretations of passages like Genesis 3 plausible.  He says It is all clear in the Hebrew,  and you believe him.  Why?  I believed him, because I was young and ignorant.  I studied for myself and eventually realized that he was wrong about a lot of things. 

 

All my life I went to a Pentecostal church, as well as others, Baptist, any church that taught Christ's teachings!  More than 25 years!!  I left the church NOT KNOWING ANYTHING..then I started studying Mr. Murrays teachings...

 

And now you know even less, because that which you think you know is a lie.  I certainly understand how it feels to find Pastor Murray when you don't know anything.  When I first began studying with the Shepherd's Chapel I was very hungry to learn about the bible, and Pastor Murray seemed to be doing the job, but eventually I found that his doctrine is filled with poison. Pastor Murray has filled you head with fables and corrupt doctrines of men.  That may be my opinion, but it is also my opinion that you have not done a very good job checking him out.

 

Just because other men failed you, now you are going to put all your faith in one more man because he has taught you strange things which you never heard before?  Intruding into those things which he has not seen?   I'm not a booster for any denomination, but the Shepherd's Chapel is also a denomination.

 

all the things you say goes straight to the point that you probably haven't studied about his teachings!  HE does believe in the trinity! 

 

Well, that proves to me that you either do not know what Pastor Murray teaches, or you do not know what the Trinity really is (or maybe he reformed his teachings, I sure do doubt that).  I certainly agree that he uses the word "trinity"  in his teachings, he may believe in using the word "trinity" but he does not teach the doctrine of the trinity as taught by the council of Nicea and as most Christians have historically believed it.  I don't follow the council of Nicea, or other Christians, and neither does Pastor Murray, but he wants people to think he does.  To me it is a manifest token of his lack of integrity.  If you choose to close your eyes to this hypocrisy then let them be closed.  But you have to teach yourself what the trinity is before you can decide if Pastor Murray truly teaches it.  Don't let his snow job deceive you, he has never taught the trinity and as far as I know he is still teaching "one God three offices"  and that jus' tain't the Trinity.

 

The bible says that the Lord is not happy with the 7 churches, except two, and they only have one thing in common...they teach about the kenites! I don't know what Gospel info, you're studying, but it sure sounds like you're ignorant about the Kenites!!

 

That is not What Revelation says.  The Revelation does not talk about "Kenites" or "Children of the devil" either.  The word is very specific and you had better listen up and consider this if you value your soul..  This is what the Lord Said to the two Churches with which he found no fault:

 

Rev 2:9 and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

 

Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.  

 

Jesus and His apostles acknowledged that the people commonly understood to be Jewish people are the true descendants of Abraham, this is never disputed in scripture.  The whole world, scripture, and history acknowledge that the Jewish People are Jews. They do not "call themselves" Jews, they ARE Jews, that is what everyone acknowledges, Christ, the Apostles, all of History.

But there are however people who claim to be Jews, based on lies, these people are not related to Abraham by blood, or by spirit, but claim to be members of the "lost tribes of Israel."   They were not born Jews, and history has never acknowledged them as such. These are the synagogue of Satan.  They claim to be Jews, and are not, but do lie. The Shepherd's Chapel is a Synagogue of Satan.  The Anglo-Israel "White Identity" movement is the Synagogue of Satan.

 

I teach this, and according to your view of Revelation, that means that Christ finds me faultless. I KNOW the blasphemy of Arnold Murray, who says he is a Jew, and is not, but does lie.  Does that sound ridiculous to you?  Well, you had better consider it well, because you might be a member of Satan's synagogue and not even know it.

 

The bible also mentions that in the last days, people will say what's good is bad, and vice versa! 

 

That is what you are about to do!

 

Also, what kind of Christian goes online to try to disprove things that are COMMON SENSE,

 

A GOOD CHRISTIAN would do what I do.  Don't you know the bible?  We are supposed to earnestly contend for the faith against those who would corrupt the teachings of Jesus Christ. 

 

I have found another word for "common sense," from the bible, and that word is "the wisdom of man"  Common sense is what the bible calls, "the wisdom of man."

 

Pastor Murray teaches a philosophy and wisdom based on his own thoughts and "common sense," and not based on the scriptures.  He uses "common sense" to change the meaning of scripture, because he thinks, "it can't mean that, that doesn't make sense to me and my common sense."  In this way he misleads people who have itching ears.  They want to hear things that appeal to man's sense of what is good and appealing.

 

Pastor Murray is corrupting the word of God by doctrines that SEEM RIGHT, by COMMON SENSE, but the wisdom of God is not according to common sense, because the wisdom of man is foolishness to God.

 

2Ti4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Pastor Murray tells fables about the world that make sense to man and which tickle the ears of man, but are not what the bible teaches.

 

it looks like you're stuck in the group of people that are illiterate about the bible.

 

Ridiculous. Try me: http://oraclesofgod.org/studies/studies.html

 

I have gotten closer to the lord studying under Murray, and a lot came to light! 

 

All you have done is gotten cozy with a lie.  The vision of God "the Father"  as Pastor Murray teaches it, is a false vision of what God is like.  Therefore you have only grown closer to an illusion.  You feel warm because God is being made to conform to what you want him to be.  Murray weaves a fiction about the scriptures which you find appealing and comforting, you feel closer to God because Murray has made God seem closer to you, as though God shared man's wisdom and world-view.

But I do believe that God is near you, though you know him not, and he has drawn you to me so give heed to my words.  I admire your zeal but you need to come out of deception, Pastor Murray is another TV deceiver.

 

How can you bash a brother in Christ...

 

I don't bash him, he bashes himself by being a false teacher.  I am merely obedient to the word in pointing out one who leads people astray.

 

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

 

For me to keep silent would be hatred.

 

Lev 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

 

It is also appropriate to name the people who corrupt the doctrine of Christ.  How else will the brethren be able to watch out for them.

 

2Tim2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

 

Pastor Murray's refusal to speak against anyone by name is selfish, basically he does it to try to make himself look good.  But it is selfish and contrary to the teachings of the bible.

 

I am studying, and a lot of things he teaches are from the bible, that sadly a lot of people don't study enough!! 

 

It is noteworthy that you say "a lot"  not "ALL"  because you know that his doctrine is corrupt, you would say "I don't agree with everything he says"  and thus you admit that you know (or think) his doctrine is corrupt.  And our doctrine ought not be corrupt:

 

Titus 2:7 In all things showing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine showing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,

 

Hey, like I said, give my studies a try, you may be surprised.  http://oraclesofgod.org/studies/studies.html 

 

The church and man made rules ARE NOT correct, for they only teach fluff!! 

 

Pastor Murray, believe it or not, teaches tons of fluff.  Kenites, Serpent Seed, The World that Was, Satan's Rebellion, Forbidding meats, What day was Jesus Crucified,  ALL FLUFF.  None of those doctrines will bring you a hair closer to God or to becoming like Christ.  They are utterly useless and utterly void.  My teaching is not fluff, if you want to taste what real meat is (and you never have) then I suggest you give me a try  http://oraclesofgod.org/studies/studies.html  You owe it to the truth to find out if what you have been taught is the truth or not.  I do not bash Murray in my bible studies, my bible studies are about the bible, not Pastor Murray.

 

Also Pastor Murray's rule about "never criticize a ministry or minister by name"  is a man-made rule.  Pastor Murray's rule about "fungus" is a man-made rule.  If you listen carefully you will find that Pastor Murray has loaded his philosophy and teachings with man-made rules.  It is high time you started listening to him with your ears.

 

 Mr Murray also says, to  ALWAYS study, and verify yourself, that does not sound like a cult to me. 

 

He says that, yes, and what you just said shows how powerful that is.  It does not seem to matter much that most of Pastor Arnold Murray's students do not actually study on their own or independently.  All that matters is that he SAYS you should do it, and that makes him trustworthy.  IT IS A CONFIDENCE GAME.  It is one of the oldest tricks in the book.  What do you think the term "confidence" in confidence game means?  It means that the perpetrator uses psychological strategies such as this to gain your confidence, so that you neglect to really check him out. The truth is that you believe him because you want to believe him.  The truth is that if you actually start researching the things Pastor Murray says, not just to prove them right, but to TEST them by a rigorous standard, you will find that his teachings are really based on very flimsy and manipulated evidence. 

 

The holy spirit gives me the knowledge to see that it does make sense!  

 

Making sense, is what Pastor Murray uses his imagination for.  Since he does not like what the bible says (and neither do you) he tries to make it "make sense"  by laying his own narrative over what the bible teaches.  Gloss over the areas that contradict his teachings and there it is.

 

You do not need the holy spirit for Pastor Murray's story to make sense.  I know because it made sense to me once, but only before I receive the Holy Spirit (March 21  2005).  Pastor Murray judges the world based on what makes sense to him "Use your common sense" that is bad advice.  Believe the bible.  Lean not on your own understanding. That is good advice but only if you do it, the best way I can help that is by doing it myself, something Murray does not truly do.

 

Pastor Murray's Philosophy is grounded on the idea that God must make sense to man, and that what is true must also be sensible to man.  That is not so.

By nature the wisdom of man is foolish to God and the wisdom of God is foolish to man.  This natural enmity must be overcome by the power of the holy spirit. Pastor Murray's doctrine and view of Christianity is warped by his reliance on his human mind.

 

1Cor 1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Mr. Murray is a man of God, it's too bad that you have no discernment to recognize what is, and what isn't of The Lord, Jesus Christ!! 

 

I thank God that he delivered me from the corrupt teachings of Arnold Murray, and I pray he will deliver you also.

 

The bible is full of references of the Kenites,

 
Full?  FULL!!?! I don't think you are a liar, but that is a Lie.   The bible has a few references to "Kenites" and as I said before, there is nothing sinister about that race.  The New Testament is also full of references to the Jews which affirm that the Jews are indeed Israel, but you seem to miss all that, and why?  Because you are willingly ignorant, you are willingly overlooking the evidence that would cast doubt on the things you believe.  Your evidence is strong only because you have failed to CHECK HIM OUT.

 

it's also ignorant to think that the devil, could not do something to try and taint Jesus bloodline!! 

 

I don't say that he could not,  all I'm saying is that the bible does not teach that he did so. 

 

You surely went out of your way to discredit Mr. Murray! 

 

No, it was in my way.  He was in my way.  Not out of my way.  When I was young he was on my T.V. and he became my teacher.  That is what he puts his face out there to do, make students.  He was the only teacher I ever had, so he was the only teacher whose teachings I am qualified to judge.  I have heard other men from time to time, but he was the only man I ever had for a serious teacher.  Say what you want, but I'm not going out of my way, Pastor Murray was in my path, and he placed himself there, so don't start in on me about how I'm picking on poor old Pastor Murray.  

 

He isn't perfect, and I don't agree with some of his opinions, but I can say that I have learned now more than ever!! 

 

Then you would agree that, in doctrine, Pastor Murray fail to show "uncorruptness."  Have you ever considered that corruption is like LEAVEN and that it permeates the whole ministry.  It is ignorant to think that it is "ok" to have a little false doctrine.  False doctrine is a ticket to destruction.  Heresy means "to be of another opinion."  and it is deadly.

 

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

Who is ignorant?

 

Not only is Pastor Murray imperfect, but he is UNAPOLOGETICALLY imperfect.  We are called to perfection.  Pastor Murray mocks and denies the idea.  If he continues in that attitude he will not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

2Cor7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

I know you believe in the Kenites, but you do not believe in that verse.  Do you see how perverse you have become under Pastor Murray's teachings?????

 

Titus2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

That is what the grace of God teaches us, but what have you learned from Pastor Murray?  You learned that nobody's perfect,  and to believe in the Kenites. 

 

How can you NOT connect the dots and see, the whole picture?! 

 

Because Pastor Murray is the one numbering your dots you connect them his way.  But the bible does not work that way.  The bible is not a "hidden picture" or a connect-the-dots puzzle.  It is all right there if you will believe it.  But you do not believe what is written, so you have said, so you look for hidden meanings. 

 

Eve was not tempted with a Fruit tree, like the churches teach, which is so ridiculous!! 

 

You speak contemptuously of the SCRIPTURES.  You reject the scriptures.  The churches do not teach that the tree in the garden was a fruit tree, THE BIBLE SAYS IT IS SO.  What is RIDICULOUS is that you let some man tell you that Black it white and white is black and you think this passage is about SEX!!!!

 

Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

 

If it was not a real growing tree why does God describe it as a real and growing tree? It sure sounds like a "tree" to me!

 

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

 

GOOD FOR FOOD.  It was an edible fruit tree. It was fruit and they ate it.  Is that really "ridiculous"?   It is shameful and arrogant the way you speak.

 

Your attitude towards the scriptures ought to frighten you because you view the plain meaning of God's word as contemptible.  You have been perverted from the truth.  You are a blasphemer, you have called the word of God ridiculous.

 

There is nothing in the Hebrew here to indicate anything but what you are reading in English. 

 

I will pray for him now more than ever...

 

He needs it!

 

if you turn your back on the fact that THERE ARE Kenites, than I feel sorry for you! 

 

That is foolish talk.  Knowledge such as that will not commend you to God.  Do you think God will be impressed with your ability to find out secrets? There are Kenites!  So what?  Kenites are not connected with the synagogue of Satan, but Dr. Murray is.

 

It makes me angry to see so much ignorance within, the church!! 

 

That is a very ironic thing for you to say.

 

Like I said before, Jesus Christ mentions about 7 churches, and two only please him....the ones who TEACH about the kenites.

 

He never mentions Kenites.  You have been conditioned by Arnold Murray.  The Shepherd's Chapel is a synagogue of Satan, I teach it, Jesus is pleased with me. Listen to me.

 

I don't know if you REALLY REALLY studied his teachings, but if you didn't and just assume, then I feel sorry for you!! 

 

Well, you are lazy and that explains much of your behavior.  You are too lazy to check out Pastor Murray thoroughly, you are too lazy to read all the documentation on my website.  Be diligent, or I promise you will be cut off. 

 

It's not about Mr. Murray, it's about ignorant people like yourself, that just blast others for teaching in depth meaning!! 

 

That kind of wishful thinking is pointless.  Demonizing me like that is another mark of your laziness.  You don't care about the truth so much as you care about your side.

 

I know about cults, and this IS NOT one of them! 

 

Based on what you have revealed in your email, you know about nothing. Humble yourself and be instructed.  Arnold Murray is a cult of personality.  And his church is a synagogue of Satan.

 

Many will say oh Lord, I cast out demons in your name, and he will say he doesn't know you! 

 

And many wonderful works... do you think Pastor Murray will escape?  Not if he does not repent!

 

I suggest that you pray for guidance, and knowledge!

 

That is the smartest thing you have said yet.  I'll do that.

 

I also know that when one person seems to nail certain things, a lot will go against them! 

 

Thanks for sharing that.  I'm glad you think that compared to Arnold Murray's mega-ministry I can be qualified as "a lot" going against him.

 

I will always, study on my own, and with a little help from Mr. Murray!

 

You mean with a lot of help, conditioning, and correction.  I can't study on my own,  only God reveals truth.

 

I will pray more for him now more, cause I know Satan doesn't want the truth to be told....think about it, and really study your bible, (King James version, not that junky interpretation new edition)!

 

I teach the King James bible, I sing the King James bible, you really know almost nothing about me and you wrote me this long letter.  Amazing.

 

The Greek and Hebrew bible, clears up the mess they've done with our bibles,....the new edition, which doesn't put God first!! 

 

In most cases you don't need to consult a concordance or lexicon, or a Hebrew or Greek version, to understand and know the truth.   It is mostly a device Pastor Murray uses to give himself more credibility.

 

The King James version for me always, as well as the Greek and Hebrew version.  I suggest "The Sword" which is an online bible with the true meanings and words...it's for free!  I will study with Mr. Murray ANY DAY over the fluff the churches teach! 

 

Pastor Murray is one of the biggest fluff peddlers out there.  He just sells his fluff with a down-home/marine corps style that makes it seem less "fluffy."  The Kenites are Fluff.  Having a rough edge does not make it less fluffy.

 

Pray for guidance, and he will guide you. 

 

I did, and he  guided me away from Dr. Murray.  Just as he is guiding you right now if you will hear him.

 

The word of God, also says about how sweet it is to our mouths, and how bitter it is, once in our stomachs!! 

 

And what are you saying about it?  That the word of God in Genesis 3 is ridiculous.  Look at yourself.

 

May God bless you, and guide you, in the word of God...and not what YOU think is wrong! 

 

Take your own advice first.

 

STudy more and you will see, that a lot of things Mr Murray teaches are true and are common sense!! 

 

I want to burn his heretical ministry down.   

 

The elite are some of the Kenites, sorry you don't see that! 

 

If you knew anything useful you would know that all of the elites are the children of the devil.  SEE.  Seriously...

 

1Cor 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

Going to church, and singing little songs will not save you, or anyone! 

 

Neither will believing in the Kenites.  If you want to be saved you need to listen to my doctrine.  God is giving you a chance by sending you to me.   For your own sake you ought to listen, I already gave you the link. 

 

The bible also says that there will be famine in the last days, but it's not for food, it's for knowledge, of the bible, which is the truth!!!  

 

And Arnold Murray is backing bread with sawdust and dung.  Is that too plain for you?  Your belly is full.

 

May the Lord illuminate you!!

He has.

God bless you!!

He does.  And he blessed you by sending you to me.  Listen to me.  Listen to my bible studies.

 

Sincerely,

Paul Stringini

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