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If Cain was Adam's son, Would he be in Noah's Genealogy?

Question/Comment: 

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From: "XXXXXXXXXXX

To: Paul Stringini

Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 10:16 AM

Subject: interesting

i too started studying in depth because of shepards chaple . and i invite you to
study more on your own. i have a few problems with some of thier teachings and
willl continue to search for the truth. but you have posted a few verses to try
to disprove certain parts and have not explained any of them any better, i am
not going to try to argue or prove you or murry wrong. only study and learn.
many places talk about the devils seed anyone that can read can understand that
and also about the age that was that was distroyed by a flood along with the
heavens, witch was obviously bigger than the time of noah and if cain was adams
he would surely be in the geneology. so my point is if you want to disprove
something great disprove it but not with a verse here or there , do it with
teaching and truth.

My Response:

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From: Paul Stringini

To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:57 PM

Subject: Re: interesting

Hi, Thanks for writing,

 

i too started studying in depth because of shepards chaple .

 

I do not mean to be argumentative but just to be clear, if I gave a different impression somewhere else I'd like to make this clear, In the early months of 1993, I turned to God in order to be saved from a drug overdose, The next day I asked my dad to send me a bible (I was at the University of Illinois)  I was reading my bible and trying to understand God, I was looking to learn more, and it was in this context that I found the Shepherd's Chapel broadcast about six months later (Around June 1993).  So I do not see the Chapel as the cause for my interest in studying, but rather my interest in studying was the cause of my interest in the chapel.

 

and i invite you to study more on your own.

 

Well, thank you, and that is also what happened.   

 

i have a few problems with some of thier teachings and willl continue to search for the truth.

 

Maybe you would like to see the fruit of my studies, I have a line by line bible study, http://oraclesofgod.org/studies/studies.html

 

but you have posted a few verses to try to disprove certain parts and have not explained any of them any better,

 

I don't know what page you are referencing, I wrote an initial article, which I think you are referring to, and that article was not meant to be a comprehensive rebuttal of the Doctrines of Arnold Murray, but rather a declaration of my story and a declaration of what I thought was wrong, subsequent to that initial writing I have had dozens of email conversations which are posted on my webpage and in which I go into many of the points in a great deal of depth citing much more scripture, and If you had been specific I could have pointed you to one or more of these supplements.

 

i am not going to try to argue 

 

I find that attitude to be very "safe." And also very lame.  When you finally know the truth, you MUST earnestly contend for the faith, or you will not be found worthy of it. Like the man who hid his talent in the earth. I certainly understand reluctance to open one's mouth when you are not sure of yourself.  So I will pardon you on that basis. But where is your zeal? 

 

or prove you or murry wrong.

 

If you study you will inevitably be forced to find one or both of us to be wrong.

 

only study and learn.

 

Careful lest you become like those who were described as "ever learning, but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."

 

many places talk about the devils seed anyone that can read can understand that

 

You know,  you strike me as lazy, your writing is lazy, your points are lazy.  That was a lazy thing to say.  Part of your problem is that you look at the bible wrong, the following is not just "a verse here" it is a definitive word from an Apostle:

 

1 John 3 :9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

 This passage was written by the Apostle John and it clearly defines the nature of the children of the devil.  All other passages that are less clear need to be judged by this very clear passage.  I have written probably over a hundred typewritten pages on the subject and if you really care about the truth then go read them. 

and also about the age that was that was distroyed by a flood along with the
heavens, witch was obviously bigger than the time of noah

 

This is again, LAZY of you, I have better responses elsewhere so you get the lazy one here.  What other age? What other flood? Obviously bigger?  Would these ideas spring from a person trying to learn what the bible really says or from someone intruding into things their eyes have not seen, their fleshly minds puffed up in vanity?

 

Genesis 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

 

I don't try to reconcile the bible with science, but I can't reconcile the things you are saying with scripture.  If you were are a diligent student then you may find what I did about Jeremiah 4, but if you are going to be lazy then I'm not going to bother telling you.

 

and if cain was adams he would surely be in the geneology.

 

No. No he would not surely be in the genealogy.  The generations of Adam traces Noah's ancestry and Noah was not descended from Cain so he was not in Noah's genealogy.  There were a lot of people left out of Adam's generations because they did not belong in the line of NOAH, so Cain was left out of the line that leads to Noah but Adam is listed as Cain's father in very simple terms. 

 

Genesis 4
1   And  Adam  knew Eve his wife; and she conceived,  and bare Cain,   (that is the usual way of making a baby).
17 And  Cain    knew        his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: (is there any difference?)
25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth:

 

That is what the bible says anyway.  But you know better than to believe the words written plainly in the bible, so you just go keep "studying."

 

 so my point is if you want to disprove something great disprove it but not with a verse here or there , do it with
teaching and truth.

Thanks for the advice, Why don't you take your own advice, you hypocrite? You say things ought to be disproven with teaching and truth, but you didn't even give me a verse here and a verse there, you just gave me a bunch of lazy opinions.  If you are too lazy to prove things with teaching and truth then you ought not go around telling people who do prove things with teaching and truth to do what you are not willing to do. 

 

Sincerely,

Paul Stringini

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