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"Pastor Murray will not speak specifically against nor take questions condemning other religions or religious leaders. That alone puts him way above you."

Question/Comment: 

----- Original Message -----
From:  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
To: Paul Stringini
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 5:10 PM
Subject: discouraging studying God's Word
Dear Paul,
 
"The best course of action against a little ant like me is to ignore me."
 
Well, Paul, your words in quotes above is the only good words I found of yours in your articles. Pastor Murray will not speak specifically against nor take questions condemning other religions or religious leaders. That alone puts him way above you.
 
Why would "a little ant like" you think yourself so worthy to condemn the teaching of one who goes thru the Bible passage by passage, word by word? Do you not think that those who listen to Pastor Murray can discern for themselves whether his interpretation is correct? He not only reads the Bible and gives the meaning of words in Hebrew and Greek (which one can check out for themselves) but he points out, in God's Word, the meaning of what he is teaching. He has brought the Bible to life for me and I'll be eternally grateful. Before I found Shepherd's Chapel, I was so confused that I almost gave up on "religion".  Never did I give up on God, just man made religion.  I don't take every word Pastor Murray says as gospel..... I think for myself and do my homework.
 
Shame on you, Paul. God forgive you for trying to turn away people who are studying God's Word and seeking the Truth.
 
XXXX XXXXXXX
 
P.S. Bet this message won't make your webpage.

My First Response:

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Stringini
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: discouraging studying God's Word

XXXXX,
Thanks for taking the time to write.
 
Pastor Murray will not speak specifically against nor take questions condemning other religions or religious leaders. That alone puts him way above you.
 
Above ME?  Dr. Murray  places himself above the Apostle Paul and Christ when he teaches that it is wrong to declare false religions and teachers to be what they are, and to do it specifically, by name.  It is very convenient for him to make criticizing people a sin, but it is not a biblical doctrine. 
 
You demonstrate clearly that you are not a student of the bible.  You are a student of the wisdom and personal opinions and feelings of Dr. Arnold Murray (and of your own opinions and feelings).  If you were able to "study for yourself"  and making a practice of that, you would have realized that Dr. Murray is making up his own rules.  Refusing to speak specifically against a false religious leader is selfish and irresponsible.  Not noble or righteous.  You have been duped.
 
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
The Apostle Paul certainly had no problem speaking specifically against false teachers.  If you were a student of the bible instead of a student of Dr. Murray, you might realize that.  But you interpret the bible in light of what Arnold Murray says instead of checking what Arnold Murray says by the light of the bible.  It is amazing that Dr. Murray is guilty of the same heresy as these two, teaching that the dead are already risen.
 
2Timothy 4:14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works:
15 Of whom be thou ware also; for he hath greatly withstood our words.
16 At my first answer no man stood with me, but all men forsook me: I pray God that it may not be laid to their charge.
 
Aside from these, the bible is filled with the specific names of people whose ideas or actions were worthy of condemnation, such as, Simon (Acts 8),  and Elymas the Sorcerer (Acts 13).  
 
The bible teaches that it is proper to label false teachers.
Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
Mark them, that means that you need to let others know who they are.  I am following the teachings of the Apostrles of Jesus Christ, you are following the traditions of Arnold Murray. 
 
Heresy is sin and when you see someone sinning it is HATRED to say nothing.
 
Leviticus 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
 
Rebuke thy neighbor.  You like to practice that on me. And that is the right thing to do, so I commend you for standing up for what you believe in and rebuking me.
 
Why would "a little ant like" you think yourself so worthy to condemn the teaching of one who goes thru the Bible passage by passage, word by word?
 
Well, what  I meant is that to Dr. Murray  I am no more than a little ant, but this was in reference to his worldly power and stature among men.  He has that great big satellite dish and tens of thousands of followers, all I have is this little old webpage, I am nothing to him.  The point was that if he paid attention to me, it would be making more of me, and he wouldn't want to do that.  That wouldn't be prudent. 
 
But to answer your question, what makes me worthy to condemn Arnold Murray's teachings? (and I thank you for not saying I condemn him personally, because I do not) 

I go through the bible passage by passage, word by word and I discovered something that irresponsible and lazy students have missed.  Pastor Murray does not teach the bible, he teaches an interpretation of the bible that is not based on sound doctrine.  His method is to seduce the hearts of simple folks that have no biblical training. 

He flatters them and tells them they are special because they accept his strange teachings.  He substitutes the wisdom of men (common sense)  for the wisdom taught by the bible.  He teaches the traditions of men (Satan had intercourse with eve) instead of the traditions taught by the bible (the fruit was good to eat, the tree grew from the ground, etc.) 

Through a variety of practices and techniques, Dr. Murray conditions the minds of those that hear him to believe doctrines that are not taught by the bible, but are the traditions of men.  He masks this with flattery, voluntary humility, and thinly veiled self-promotion.  "Don't listen to this man or any other man"  is truly a good idea, (when practiced) but it really serves more to increase the amount of trust people place in Arnold Murray.  I checked out Dr. Murray and found him to be a false teacher,  that is what he told me to do, so why are his student angry at me, yet unable to defend their doctrines or the teacher that gave them to them?
 
2 Corinthians 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
 
Do you not think that those who listen to Pastor Murray can discern for themselves whether his interpretation is correct?
 
No.  They cannot.  If they could then they would.   I have people write me and say "thank you, keep up the good work."  They also write "I almost made a colossal mistake."  People who are new to the bible are not equipped to judge a false teacher, the false teacher is holding all the cards. 

When a false teacher is teaching you how to recognize a false teacher, your ability to recognize false teachings is SEVERLY handicapped.  Because the false teacher indoctrinates you in false teachings and those false teachings become your baseline on which you judge the truth. 

It took me ten years to fully get Dr. Murrays teachings out of my mind.  Once false doctrine takes hold, the victim may not even know that they are captive to it (that would be you) They can't free themselves, only God can help them, and that is why he sends men of God like me to stand against false teachers like Dr. Murray.  I make no apologies for what I do, people THANK ME for doing it, why would I listen to someone who cannot discern false teachings?
 
He not only reads the Bible and gives the meaning of words in Hebrew and Greek (which one can check out for themselves) but he points out, in God's Word, the meaning of what he is teaching.
 
He actually uses your ignorance of Hebrew and Greek to corrupt the meaning of scripture.  I have run into plenty of Chapel student who misunderstand how Strong's Concordance works (that is Murray's doing), but of course, like you, they think they know what they are doing, and a few have made fools of themselves on that one.

If you are confident of yourself on that account, then I'd like offer you a challenge to prove whether or not Shepherd's Chapel students have learned to study for themselves, or have actually been crippled in their studies from being taught how to use tools the wrong way. 
 
If you look at all my emails you will notice something.  God has given me the victory every time.  There is none among the student of Dr. Murray with "a mouth and wisdom" that can stand against me.  Again and again, Shepherd's Chapel Students are better at insults and accusations than at showing themselves approved, workmen that need not to be ashamed. 
 
There are no emails that I refuse to publish, but I have had embarrassed Chapel Students demand that their embarrassing failures not be posted to my website.  That says a lot, and as a testimony to my sincerity, I always abide by their wishes, even though I may have spent hours writing them.  Because Even if it is just for the student, and even if they are a coward whose foolish talk cannot stand the light of day, I still took the time, even if it ended up doing nothing but rebuking one person.
 
He has brought the Bible to life for me and I'll be eternally grateful.
 
He brought it to life, but by a strange spirit. There are all kinds of people out there bringing the bible to life in one way or the other, but maybe it did not need to be "brought to life."  The bible has a life of its own, people read the bible for themselves and are confused or unable to understand, but that is because God has closed their eyes.  I remember when God finally opened my eyes.  I see how that I couldn't understand the bible because I had all this false doctrine that I was trying to make fit in to the bible. 
 
False teachers are experts at making false doctrine fit into the bible and they animate the bible with their corrupt ideas, but if you could have read the bible for yourself at the beginning, you wouldn't have needed Murray to be a puppeteer for God's word, and the reason you cannot read it for yourself even now is that you cannot comprehend the bible outside of the template of false doctrine Dr. Murray has given you and your mind has been conditioned to accept.  

You judge every idea in the bible by the doctrine you have received from Dr. Murray,  his ideas color you every interpretation, because he is your teacher, but  he has not taught you the bible,  rather he has taught you his particular way of interpreting the bible (which happens to be highly corrupt)  The actual teachings of the bible are still strange to you. I can tell because you repeat his philosophy and wisdom and it is solidly wedged in you mind.
 
Before I found Shepherd's Chapel, I was so confused that I almost gave up on "religion". 
 
These two sentences are very interesting.
 
Never did I give up on God, just man made religion. 
 
I know this is not what you meant to say but what you have said it this:  "The Shepherd's Chapel restored my faith in man-made religion."  And that is the TRUTH.  That is what it did.
 
Your confusion then, and now, results from your preference for relying on men to teach you.  Even when you would try to read the bible you were relying on the teachings you received from men to make sense of what you read.
 
 I don't take every word Pastor Murray says as gospel..... I think for myself and do my homework. 
 
That is what they all say, but he is your teacher and he assigns the homework.  How about doing independent study?  Or why don't you try my bible studies?  I teach the bible line by line too, http://oraclesofgod.org/studies/studies.html
 
If you had really been studying the bible you never would have wrote me telling me how wrong I was for criticizing Dr. Murray.  You didn't learn that doctrine from the bible.  I proved that.  So you either got it from Pastor Murray and accepted it based on his word, or, more likely,  you accepted it because he said so AND it "seemed right to you."  But certainly not because the bible said so, and certainly not because you "check him out in God's word and "did your homework." 

You ought to be ashamed.  You have not done your homework for God, you did the work Arnold Murray assigned you, you looked up the words he told you to look up, you proved the doctrines he gave you the proof for.  You followed the bread crumb trail he left for you, is there any wonder you reached the same conclusions he did???? You are the blind lead by the blind, so I say open your eyes and look where you are going.
 
Shame on you, Paul. God forgive you for trying to turn away people who are studying God's Word and seeking the Truth. 
 
God forgive you for trying to turn me from my duty, God forgive you for neglecting his word, God forgive you for believing and defending a false teacher.
 
P.S. Bet this message won't make your webpage.
 
What makes you think I wouldn't want to publish this letter?  This letter will definitely be published.  Your letter represents another example the kind of Biblical scholarship  practiced by students of Arnold Murray and the Shepherd's Chapel.  This was a great letter.  Thanks for this letter.  Please send me another letter.
 
Sincerely,
Paul Stringini

Emailer's First Reply:

---- Original Message -----
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: Paul Stringini
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 5:30 PM
Subject: RE: discouraging studying God's Word
 
Paul,
Your words are in bold type and quotations.
 
"Thanks for taking the time to write."
 
And I thank you for your response to my letter.
 
"If you were able to "study for yourself" and making a practice of that, you would have realized that Dr. Murray is making up his own rules." "Refusing to speak specifically against a false religious leader is selfish and irresponsible."
 
Paul. You do not know me, for if you did you would not have made this statement. I have been studying for myself for many years and way before I listened to or ever heard of Shepherd's Chapel. Why is your "interpretation" any more valid than mine? God gives understanding and wisdom to those who seek it. You certainly cannot believe that you are the only one who can interpret His Word or that you alone are capable of understanding all of God's wisdom and revelations. You might want to check out what God says about humility.
 
"Pastor Murray does not teach the bible, he teaches an interpretation of the bible that is not based on sound doctrine".
 
And you, Paul Stringini, let others learn for themselves without giving your interpretation, right? If that were true, you would not have a website flaunting your interpretations. Why is YOUR interpretation of God's word any more worthy than mine or Pastor Murray's? And don't think for one minute that just because I listen to Pastor Murray read and explain the passages, that I take every word of his as gospel. We disagree on some things. Don't you believe that God can give revelation and understanding to those who are in His Word? The beliefs that I have, I've had since before I ever heard of Shepherd's Chapel or Pastor Murray. I never believed that the original sin, which caused so much havoc, was an act of a talking snake deceiving Adam and Eve into eating the forbidden apple. Nor did I ever believe in the Rapture. I could go on for pages listing the things that I heard from childhood for which no one could give a definitive, clear answer. I just could not believe it. I felt like it was just between God and me. So please don't talk down to me and tell me I cannot decide and discern for myself what is TRUTH!!!!!
 
"and that is why he sends men of God like me to stand against false teachers like Dr. Murray. I make no apologies for what I do, people THANK ME for doing it, why would I listen to someone who cannot disern false teachings?"
 
Oh please, can't you hear yourself? So you are a man of God and I'm not and Pastor Murray's not, etc. You are setting yourself up as God, judging and condemning and calling what other's have been given by God as "false teaching". Good grief.
 
"who misunderstand how strong's concordance works, but of course, like you, they think they know what they are doing, and a few have made fools of themselves on that one."
 
You don't even know me, but you attack my intelligence and my understanding. No, Paul, it is you who is making a FOOL of yourself.
 
"God has given me the victory every time. There is none among the student of Dr. Murray with "a mouth and wisdom" that can stand against me."
 
I'm standing against you, Paul. You won't change my mind because what I believe came from God, not you or Pastor Murray.
 
(the following four sentences was the exchange between us in the email you sent to me)
 
Before I found Shepherd's Chapel, I was so confused that I almost gave up on "religion". (me)
"These two sentences are very interesting. " (you)
Never did I give up on God, just man made religion. (me)
"I know this is not what you meant to say but what you have said it this: "The Shepherd's Chapel restored my faith in man-made religion." And that is the TRUTH. That is what it did." (you)
 
See how easy it is to misinterpret words.  You twist my words into something I never said nor would I ever say. FWIW, I was disillusioned with preachers who didn't teach the Bible. I wanted so badly to just hear God's words, not theirs. I wanted my children and all those sitting in the pews to hear God's words. I love God with all my heart, and just to hear His words to explain why they were saying what they did.
 
" but he is your teacher and he assigns the homework. How about doing independant study? Or why don't you try my bible studies?"
 
Again, Paul, I will tell you that I do "independant study". All that Shepherd's Chapel has done for me, is to let me know that God has given to others some of what He has given to me. What I believe now is what I believed before I ever started listening to Shepherd's Chapel. If you are at all interested in what God has given me, than I would love to discuss it. However, I will not enter into dialogue (via email) if you continue to attack my beliefs. I haven't attacked your beliefs. Discussion in one thing, attacking another is wrong. Only God knows all.
 
"What makes you think I wouldn't want to publish this letter? This letter will definitely be published. Your letter represents another example the kind of Biblical scholarship practised by students of Arnold Murray and the Shepherd's Chapel. This was a great letter. Thanks for this letter. Please send me another letter."
 
So here is another letter, Paul. Will you publish it also? We can discuss what we believe and why, but can we do it in humility and love........... no personal attacks?  I have intelligence and I have God in my heart. I feel you mean well, but please spend your time explaining God's word (your interpretations) and not condemning another's.
 
Pat Baker

My Second Response:

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Stringini
To: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: discouraging studying God's Word
XXXXX,
You seem to forget something, it is not my ministry that is on trial here.  Most people come to this site to read what I have to say about Dr. Murray, make their own judgment, and act on that.   You cherry picked my letter for the points you felt illustrated that I'm not a good person, but most people are not reading my webpage to see what kind of a person I am, they are reading it for information on the ministry of the Shepherd's Chapel and Arnold Murray. 
 
Paul. You do not know me, for if you did you would not have made this statement.
 
I don't need to know you.  Because I am not judging you, I'm judging your FRUIT.  It is very simple.  You wrote me a letter telling me what is right and what is wrong.  That is the fruit of your studies, the word of your mouth.  Don't you think that everyone who reads this second letter will notice that you have absolutely nothing to say in defense of your original premise (its wrong to call out false teachers) I have certainly noticed.
 
I have been studying for myself for many years and way before I listened to or ever heard of Shepherd's Chapel.
 
I have no doubt that you have been studying for many years,  Ever studying, but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.  I have no respect for you or your studying, because the fruit of your study is a corrupt doctrine that you didn't even have the guts to defend, because it is indefensible.
 
Why is your "interpretation" any more valid than mine?
 
Simple.  My doctrine was based on scriptures:  "of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus"  Your opinion was not even an interpretation, it did not involve scripture so it could not even rightly be called an interpretation, you will have to find some scriptures to support you claim before you can even call it an "interpretation."    

You gave me an opinion based on ignorance, not an interpretation.   The interpretations of someone who gives opinions based on ignorance are less valid than the interpretations of those who carefully form opinions based on scripture.  Maybe if you had given me an opinion that was based on scripture, we would have started out different, but what you gave me was what it was. that would be your fault for making a bad first impression.
 
God gives understanding and wisdom to those who seek it.
 
How do you even know what wisdom is that you would seek it?  Do you just seek something called wisdom?  How does one look for something that he does not know the shape of?  How do you know you have not been seeking folly and just calling it wisdom?  The wisdom of man is foolish to God.  How do you even know that what you seek is wisdom?  And when you find it how will you know for certain that it is what you think it is?  I only say all that to make the point that unless God gives it to us; we might just be chasing the wind. 
 
1 Cor 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
 
They sought wisdom, but found foolishness, because they did not seek the true wisdom.  I don't know you, but you are not wise, that is your fruit.
 
You certainly cannot believe that you are the only one who can interpret His Word or that you alone are capable of understanding all of God's wisdom and revelations.
 
Of course I don't believe that.  What?  Do you think I'm like some cliché movie villain or something?
 
You might want to check out what God says about humility.
 
Thanks for the tip.
 
And you, Paul Stringini, let others learn for themselves without giving your interpretation, right?
 
I never said that "interpreting" was wrong.  I said that Dr. Murray teaches an interpretation that is not based on sound doctrine.  So, in light of what I actually said, your comment is ridiculous.  Is this wisdom?
 
Why is YOUR interpretation of God's word any more worthy than mine or Pastor Murray's?
 
Easy.  I  have one example to work with here.  The only doctrine we have discussed is Pastor Murray's doctrine saying "it is wrong to name false teachers."  My interpretation is worth more than yours because it was based on scripture.  Far from defending your doctrine; all you seem to be able to do now is try to throw doubt on the ability of anyone to be able to discern the truth.  I see many of Pastor Murray's students turn out like this.
 
And don't think for one minute that just because I listen to Pastor Murray read and explain the passages, that I take every word of his as gospel. We disagree on some things.
 
I'll take your word, but you took this doctrine as gospel, you certainly preached it to me.
 
"Pastor Murray will not speak specifically against nor take questions condemning other religions or religious leaders. That alone puts him way above you."
Where did you learn that in the bible?  If you are such a diligent bible student then how come you failed to notice that this was not based on the bible?
 
Don't you believe that God can give revelation and understanding to those who are in His Word?
 
Of course I do, that is where I get my doctrine.  But listening to Dr. Murray is not the same as being in the word, he corrupts the scriptures with his false doctrines.  He does not teach the scriptures.  He uses the scriptures to teach.  I have demonstrated this fact over and over on my website.
 
The beliefs that I have, I've had since before I ever heard of Shepherd's Chapel or Pastor Murray.
 
That does not make them more sound.
 
I never believed that the original sin, which caused so much havoc, was an act of a talking snake deceiving Adam and Eve into eating the forbidden apple.
 
The bible says "fruit."  That would be a special kind of fruit because it grew on a special kind of tree, it would definitely not be an apple.  But it would be a fruit that could be eaten and grew on a tree that grew from the ground.  If you do not believe what the bible says, then you are not a student of the bible, but a student of a satanic fringe religion that uses the bible to lend its fables credibility. 
 
I thought you said you knew something about humility,  because to take the attitude that you do towards the BIBLICAL ACCOUNT of the sin in the garden is very arrogant.  You are arrogant towards the text of the bible, you don't believe that nonsense that is written in the bible about "fruit" and "trees" and "serpents" not you.  Your attitude is sickening.
 
Nor did I ever believe in the Rapture.
 
Good for you.  Neither do I.  But I wonder if you believe in the resurrection of the dead?  I hated the rapture, I believed it as a kid, but I hated it anyways, that is probably why I started listening to Dr. Murray, but there are a lot of people who teach against the rapture.  And Dr. Murray goes too far, and says the dead have already risen, which makes him an overthrower of faith as defined by the Apostle Paul in the scripture I quoted in my first reply to you.
 
I could go on for pages listing the things that I heard from childhood for which no one could give a definitive, clear answer.  I just could not believe it. I felt like it was just between God and me.
 
I don't know what to say to that.
 
So please don't talk down to me and tell me I cannot decide and discern for myself what is TRUTH!!!!!
You say that you can decide and discern but you have demonstrated that you do not do what you say.  So what can I say?  I cannot respect you.
 
Oh please, can't you hear yourself? So you are a man of God and I'm not and Pastor Murray's not, etc.
 
If we were all men of God we would speak the same things and have concord.  So we cannot all be men of God.  I speak that which was given to me, make what you want of it.
 
You are setting yourself up as God, judging and condemning and calling what other's have been given by God as "false teaching".
 
That is ridiculous.  God does not speak out of both sides of his mouth. Then what makes Dr. Murray better than the Rapture teachers?  What gives him the right to say the rapture is false doctrine?  Where does this foolish talk end?
 
Jesus Christ told us we would know them by their fruits.  We must judge doctrine.  You certainly do.    It is not "setting oneself up as God"  to do what I do, and I'd like you to bring forth one scripture to back yourself up.
 
You are not a student of the bible, not a good one anyway, for a diligent student of the bible would never say something so utterly FALSE.  You do not know what you are talking about.  I am nearly beside myself marveling at what you just said.  If you are a, "student of the bible,"  you deserve a big fat,  " F - ." 
 
John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Matt 23:23 ...the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done,
 
Judgment ought to be done.  Because you exercise bad judgment, you fault me for my good judgment.
 
Good grief.
You said it.
 
You don't even know me, but you attack my intelligence and my understanding.

I don't need to know you, I only need examples of your intelligence and understanding.   I do not think it is your intellect that is lacking, however, it is your understanding is that is faulty. (Editorial comment:  I Never mentioned or questioned this persons intelligence, I questioned their diligence and the wisdom of their words)
 
No, Paul, it is you who is making a FOOL of yourself.
 
Nonsense. 
 
I'm standing against you, Paul. You won't change my mind
 
That is not what I meant.  You may personally stand against me, I'd like to persuade you, but there are many fish in the sea.   My purpose is not to persuade you specifically. All I want is to defeat your words and persuade those who may be persuaded, and I'm doing it, just like always.
 
The defeat of your ideas is for the benefit of others.  If you stand firm in your beliefs, what is that to me if I gain five others?  I am the savor of life and the savor of death, and God is well pleased with both. I'm doing my job.
 
because what I believe came from God, not you or Pastor Murray.
I think that is nonsense too.  God never taught you that it was wrong to name people who are teaching false doctrine.  You either made that up yourself or you picked it up from Pastor Murray.  Is this all you can do to defend your doctrine?  Multiply words that have no substance?
 
Before I found Shepherd's Chapel, I was so confused that I almost gave up on "religion". (me)
"These two sentences are very interesting. " (you)
Never did I give up on God, just man made religion. (me)
"I know this is not what you meant to say but what you have said it this: "The Shepherd's Chapel restored my faith in man-made religion." And that is the TRUTH. That is what it did." (you)
 

See how easy it is to misinterpret words.  You twist my words into something I never said nor would I ever say.
 
And I said that I knew that: "I know this is not what you meant to say "  I suppose, at this point it, would be fair to question your intellect. (But Christianity is not about intellect)
 
My point, (which you missed) was that even though you did not mean it.  The truth was that you have placed your faith in man's religion.  The "sex in the garden" doctrine is man's religion, the "we were angles in the world that was" doctrine is man's religion.   If you really placed no faith in Dr. Murray, you never would have written me, but would have let him stand on his own two feet.  All your talk about not putting your trust in man is just talk.  Because I have observed you doing it in this email conversation.
 
FWIW, I was disillusioned with preachers who didn't teach the Bible.
 
Yeah? Well, I'm disillusioned with preachers who do teach the bible, because they all teach different stuff. 

This sentence betrays the implicit trust you have for Pastor Arnold Murray.  Because, in your opinion, he is one of the few teachers who "do" teach the bible
 
I wanted so badly to just hear God's words, not theirs.
 
What about your bible?  Do you think pastor Murray is different?  He does not follow the bible, he makes the bible follow him.  It is a neat trick, he isn't the only one.
 
I wanted my children and all those sitting in the pews to hear God's words.
 
Then why all the disdain for the biblical account of the sin in the garden?
 
I love God with all my heart,
 
I do doubt that.  You cannot love God with all your heart, because you do not know God.  If I were to declare my God to you, I am reasonably sure you would not love him because you are able to tolerate Arnold Murray's teachings. 

Those that love Arnold Murray's version of God would hate my God, because my God is based on scripture and not on what Arnold Murray feels is the right way for God to be. 

Since I believe that my God is the real God and Pastor Murray's God is not, I cannot believe that you love God.  Yours is the God that pleases you, that is what Dr. Murray's god is based on; on what pleases Arnold Murray and also pleases the people who think like him.
 
and just to hear His words to explain why they were saying what they did.
It would be better to explain why God says what he says. 
 
Again, Paul, I will tell you that I do "independant study". All that Shepherd's Chapel has done for me, is to let me know that God has given to others some of what He has given to me.
 
I seriously doubt the truthfulness of that statement.   "All that Shepherd's Chapel has done"? Really?  You had all the same views, every single last one?  And all that the Shepherd's Chapel did was confirm the truths you had already discovered all by your lonesome?
 
Like I said, I SERIOUSLY doubt that, I think you are engaging in a little sincere stretching of the truth, but even if it were true, so what?  All that would prove is that doctrines of devils have many holes from which they spring.
 
What I believe now is what I believed before I ever started listening to Shepherd's Chapel.
 
You say so.
 
If you are at all interested in what God has given me, than I would love to discuss it. However, I will not enter into dialogue (via email) if you continue to attack my beliefs.
 
I'm not interested in your beliefs, I can already tell you don't know what you are talking about, why would I be interested in your ideas?.  You should be listening to my bible studies.  But I'm interested in discussing the Shepherd's Chapel Doctrines, I'm not interested in your particular special nuanced brand of Shepherd's Chapel doctrine, I'm only interested in talking about the Doctrines taught by Pastor Arnold Murray, because that is why people read my webpage.
 
That is why I keep going back to your original point that
"Pastor Murray will not speak specifically against nor take questions condemning other religions or religious leaders. That alone puts him way above you."
That is one of Pastor Murray's doctrines and it is a lie worthy of refuting.  You have said nothing in defense of this LIE.  You just keep talking foolish talk and falsely claim that you are a good student who knows what they are talking about.  I am going to make you a guarantee, noone is going to read this part of our discussion (and I admire anyone who has kept reading this far)  But hardly anyone  is going to read this far, they will read your initial email, then they will read my response, then they will start to read your reply and when they see that you did not answer my carefully constructed arguments from scripture, they will write you off as another failure and move on to another email.. 
 
I haven't attacked your beliefs.
 
Yes, you do, your whole email is an attack on my beliefs. 
 
Discussion in one thing, attacking another is wrong.
 
You seem to be confused, attacking someone by hitting someone on the head with a hammer is wrong, but there is nothing wrong with attacking someone's ideas with words.  You are very far from the truth. 
 
Jude 1:3  ...ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
 
You are full of man's wisdom and you are not following Christ.
 
The sword is in my hand and I'm not afraid to use it,  because to live eternally, you have to die, and the word of God is the executioners axe in my hand. 
 
Only God knows all.
I never have said I know everything.  I just purge out the leaven.  You are filled with leaven.  doctrines of men,  you are revealing this constantly as you write.  I do not judge you, your own words are witness and the word of God is judge, you are just too ignorant of the word of God to hear it's judgment on your words. I hear it.
 
So here is another letter, Paul. Will you publish it also?
 
Do you think this one was better?  Of course I'll publish this.  Why wouldn't I?  I'm not you.
 
We can discuss what we believe and why, but can we do it in humility and love........... no personal attacks? 
 
"with a double heart do they speak."
 
Now you talk nice to seem nice but you are not nice.   The spirit of God in me is leading me to give you no quarter.  You wrote me, TAUNTING ME, from the beginning,  and now you want to talk all sweet and play nice?  No way.  If you want my respect, you have to earn my respect, You threw away the respect I give strangers with your first e-mail.  I have no respect left for you.
 
 I have intelligence and I have God in my heart.
 
You say so, but since I don't have any respect for you, you will have to prove that to me before I'll believe you.
 
I feel you mean well,
 
Of course I do, It seems like you do as well but you have avoided discussing doctrine and made this personal.  I answered your questions, you "cherry picked" my responses.  I find you rude and inconsiderate.
 
but please spend your time explaining God's word (your interpretations) and not condemning another's.
Take your own advice, you hypocrite, you say it is wrong to condemn another's  interpretation then why do you keep condemning me for my interpretation. Specifically, that I ought to hear the judgment of God and speak it against Dr. Murray's teachings? 
 
Sincerely,
Paul

Emailer's Second Reply:

----- Original Message -----
From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
To:  Paul Stringini
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 6:14 PM
Subject: RE: discouraging studying God's Word
Paul,
Your are sick: you make me sad; you are to be pitied.  I asked you to be civil, and to have discussion in love.  You respond with hateful words.  God forgive you.
Please do not email me again for I do not want anything to do with you.  Only God can help you now.  Good bye!!!
Sincerely,
XXXXXX

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