"If What Pastor Murray is Doing is Wrong, He Will Be Judged by YAHVEH for it. You, on the other hand..."

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Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject;
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

2Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

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From: Paul Stringini

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Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:19 AM

Subject: Re: RE:

well paul, i did see your page but i stopped reading it when i saw you right that your veiw of adam was that it could have been a parable or something.

See Email #78 (and comments)

You just made what you said before a joke, "the worst thing to do in this world is to think you know everything." All I said is that it "could" be a parable, all that means is that I'm open to entertain that possibility. I believe the story exactly as it is written, the snake is a snake, the fruit is what it says it is, and does what it says it does. Still, things can be historically accurate, literally true, and still also have the qualities of a parable.

After all, you wrote me to defend Dr. Murray, who interprets the story in the garden as if it definitely was a parable. According to him, the serpent is not really a serpent, touching means sexual intercourse, fruit is not fruit, trees are not trees, according to his interpretation the elements of the story in the garden are symbolic like a parable.

I would not go so far as to declare that the story in the garden was definitely not a parable, but I definitely reject Dr. Murray's interpretation, if there is a parable in the garden of Eden story, Dr. Murray's teachings are not the correct interpretation.

On reconsideration, I retract that statement, the Story in Eden was definitely not a parable. The only reason I ever said otherwise is that I was leaving room for a deeper meaning to Genesis 3. But it does not have to be a parable to have a deeper meaning. It amazes me how people who believe that Genesis 3 is the story of Satan having sexual intercourse with Eve could actually fault me for allowing the idea that the story of Eden "could" be a parable. What I really meant is that it has a deeper meaning. (but not a sexual one). See Email #78

that was where i said now there was something rong with this.

Mr.Open-minded Bob is not as he advertised himself to be. You tell me not to judge but you have not learned how to use good judgment. Judgment, Mercy and faith, these ought ye to have done. But you don't do them right.

you see paul, the bible could not have been put together any other way but to have all the geneology together.

Honestly, it strikes me as bizarre that you invoke Genealogy at this moment. I can't follow your thoughts here. You talk about it like it is so critical, but it is not the most critical thing. I never even said anything about how the bible was put together "could not have been put together any other way" Excuse me, but was it not you who said, "the worst thing to do in this world is to think you know everything." Just because God chose to do something one way does not mean there were not other possible ways he could have done things.

without geneology you wouldn't be able to have a bible, it is the one thing that proves the books of the bible belong thier.

You really are Mr. Know-it-all, according to you, there is only one thing that "proves" the books of the bible belong "there" and it is genealogy, I wasn't looking for proof like that. I don't even understand why you are saying this.

1 Timothy 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

That is basically what you are doing to me right now, because you have been ministered a bunch of useless questions which you think you have the answer to, and here you invoke your "answer" and minister the question back at me.

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

I know the purpose of the genealogies, but why you are saying what you are saying is a mystery, and I'm not going to try to guess, I have nether problem nor fixation with the genealogies in the bible, I certainly never said they were a parable, or even could be.

tell me paul, are you one of the people who say that the bible was made by man to keep man under control or do you realy believe in GOD?

Now you are insulting me, if I did not believe in God I would never waste my time with this stuff, I really marvel at those atheists who are obsessed with Christianity, they should really get a life. Have you even looked at http://oraclesofgod.org ? I'm just a musician, would an atheist write all those songs word for word from the bible? Look at my videos. Gather some info before you shoot your mouth off.

The bible would be the worst tool to control people, historically, ever since it became widely distributed a lot of people started forming their own opinions about it. I would say that ignorance of the bible is a tool man has used to control people, but the bible itself liberates people. People still use ignorance of the bible to manipulate peoples minds. That is how denominations work. That is how Dr. Murray works. If man wanted to make a book to control people, it would not be the bible, so the men who wrote the bible had to be inspired by God.

i am not saying one way or the other that dr murray is 100% right,

Mr. know-it-all finally finds a question he can't decide. I'll tell you for sure, Dr. Murray is not 100% right.

i don't agree with everything he said either. but i don't get towatch very often at all.

Opps, so I guess you are saying, one way or the other, that Dr. Murray is not 100% right. Are you trying to confuse me? Everyone who writes me to argue about Dr. Murray sings the same tune "I don't agree 100% with Dr. Murray" Then why do you defend him? Don't you know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? We will never know 100% of everything but everything we think we know ought to be 100% true. You would not feed dogs meat that was tainted with 1% cyanide. So why would you defend a man whose doctrine you believed was partially corrupt?

but i also know that bruce lee wasn't the greatest either, but i do know if it weren't for him that martial arts wouldn't had been known as well throughout the world.

It doesn't work that way. And really, what do people learn about martial arts watching Bruce Lee? He was a fake, do they go away really understanding how to themselves become martial artists? Or do they just walk away admiring the things he did on the screen? When you think about it, it is not such a great thing. he did more for himself than for martial arts. (Note: I didn't realize how offensive this remark would be to some people, I don't know anything about Bruce Lee, I was just repeating things I had heard, I should have said, "I don't want to talk about Bruce Lee." I guess his point was that Arnold Murray isn't the greatest but he is the Bruce Lee of bible studies, that is a very strange point to try to make).

There are men whose actions cause the way of truth to be evil spoken of.

i am just saying, that some people don't ever have a chance to know of GOD even as well as dr murray is teaching,

It doesn't work that way. Dr. Murray does not tell people about God, he teaches them about his god, and he and I definitely do not follow the same God.

and if that is the case that you are the great bible teacher well,

if that was the case, but it is not. We don't have the same God. He has God all wrong.

i think you have dr murray to thank for the people that you recieve through your dr murray bashing.

I'll thank God, but Dr. Murray has his thanks. Look, when I was 19 I wanted to learn about the bible, and I came across Dr. Murray, that was just his "bad luck," If I had become a Baptist, this would be the anti-Baptist page, if I had become a Lutheran, it would be them. I write against him because he is my background in the bible. He is the only teacher I ever had. I don't know enough about the Lutherans to write about them. But ten years after leaving the Shepherd's Chapel, (and seven after launching my webpage) the holy spirit really led me to start speaking out on Dr. Murray. I already had a 200,000 hit a day webpage because of my bible music, so he did not make me.

Really, if Dr. Murray was thankworthy, then I never would have turned on him. It is like saying the police have criminals to thank for their jobs. I'm not taking anything from him except that which does not belong to him.

and yes i do have an idea of how old you are. i'll say around 40-41......pretty good ha?

Not bad, a little high, but my age is public information. I'll be 37 this year.

look, i would like to hear what you have to say, i just am not interested in the music,

That is interesting, my music is chapter by chapter and verse by verse from the bible, I did the entire book of revelation. But suit yourself, after all, there is no accounting for taste, I'm certainly not going to hold that against you.

if you have a bible study session and i over looked it in your page then let me say now that i am sorry and i will look it over and i will read it or listen to it, i will say something if i don't agree like i have to r murray, but i will be fair about it.

My bible studies page (audio)

http://oraclesofgod.org/studies/studies.html Allow me to recommend Matthew.

My first video study

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Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

i am not saying one way or the other that dr murray is 100% right,

i garentee you he isn't 100% right, niether are you or am i. but i will tell you 1 thing. i will try my best to please my FATHER YAHVEH with all my heart!

i don't agree with everything he said either. but i don't get towatch very often at all.

I'll thank God, but Dr. Murray has his thanks. Look, when I was 19 I wanted to learn about the bible, and I came across Dr. Murray, that was just his "bad luck," If I had become a baptist, this would be the anti-baptist page, if I had become a Lutheran, it would be them. I write against him because he is my background in the bible. He is the only teacher I ever had. I don't know enough about the Lutherans to write about them. But ten years after leaving the Shepherd's Chapel, (and seven after launching my webpage) the holy spirit really led me to start speaking out on Dr. Murray. I already had a 200,000 hit a day (month) webpage because of my bible music, so he did not make me.

and yes i do have an idea of how old you are. i'll say around 40-41......pretty good ha?

http://oraclesofgod.org/studies/studies.html Allow me to recommend Matthew.

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From: Paul Stringini

To: Name And Address Withheld

Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:44 PM

Subject: Re: RE:

Bob, first my bible study page is http://oraclesofgod.org/studies/studies.html I recommend Matthew since you really need to hear the true Gospel, I have not got to the old testament yet but I just started recording last year and I wanted to cover the NT first.

"as i recalled it, you had acted like , so what and what about it, like it did have any relavents whatsoever."

If you did not grasp my opinion on the matter the first time, you should grasp it now. And whether it is a parable, or not, does not really matter to me because I'm prepared to believe it which ever way is true. If it is a parable, would you stop believing in Jesus Christ? I wouldn't, I don't have all these cumbrances of false knowledge that you seem to be bearing.

dr murray does indeed see some of it as a parable but only parts ( at least that is what i got from him).

You are quite generous to that guy, and he teaches that the bible is not saying what it is clearly saying in Genesis 3. I can't respect you. You have two standards of judgment, one for him and you and one for me.

some of what he says is far out but, you know a lot of what he teaches is good. such as (YAHVEH), do you know how maney people have no clue of GOD's name?\

What is so great about that? There is one name under heaven whereby we must be saved. And God has given HIM a name that is above every name. That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow and every tongue confess. I wrote an article on my webpage regarding why I stopped using the "sacred name."

there are a lot of other things that i would rather my kids listen to dr murray then to goto a church in the neighborohood.

To me, that is like saying, I'd rather have my kids drink arsenic than cyanide.

at lease they would have a better chance of learning to read for themselves,

I don't think so. He teaches line by line, but there is nothing about that that makes people think for themselves. He conditions people to read the bible the way HE reads it. So they start seeing the same things he sees, and missing the same things he misses.

in wich case dr murray is known for " don't take this man's word or any other man's word, you read for yourself" i do very much respect that.

Yeah, he says that, and many people relax and think, "well he must be a good guy or he wouldn't say that," but it doesn't mean that. He tells people to think for themselves, but he does not teach them how to do that, he teaches them to think like him. And that is absolute. He can tack on statements like that but they don't really mean anything unless you give heed to it. And many definitely do not, so it is pointless. If he is a false teacher it is pointless, and it is pointless if he is true, it is just self-serving.

as for your latter statement about the garden of eden, i to teach that parts of it are what it is and others are parables, and there was sex involved in it and i do believe that cane is the son of satain and that the kinites are the desendents of cane.

You believe sex was involved, yet it says that they ate a fruit, never does it anywhere (and not in 2 Corinthians either! ) and it says the fruit was edible and that they ate it and that it grew out of the ground, I covered this subject extensively in other emails. If you really care about the truth then dig for them, all your questions are answered there. And honestly, for admitting this now, you ought to be slapped in the face for giving me a hard time about saying it could be a parable, all the while, according to you, it MUST be a parable, if parts of it are not real then it is not a literal history, it is metaphorical allegorical, whatever, but according to your view it isn't a literal history of the precise way in which man fell.

well i am a bible teacher, you are right about the ordaination of a pastor when you said ordaination don't mean you are qualified and noone needs to be ordained, I have preached the very same thing and said who ordained jesus? but the Father ordained him!

Good.

and so i am qualified to read something that sounds like someone didn't care about the bible and at the same time call himself a teacher.

I guess you are referring to my comments on the garden and I'll say it again, I do not care which it is, and that is what makes you a know-it-all, you have preconceptions about how things ought to be, based on MAN's wisdom. And you interpret the bible based on that wisdom. I don't, if Genesis is literal, I accept it as such, and if it is a parable, I would also accept that, I DON"T CARE WHICH IT IS. I believe it is true as it is written, I do not see any reason to read Dr. Murray's FABLES into Genesis 3 but my attitude in approaching the subject is that it does not HAVE to be one way or the other. Teacher, teach yourself, you are not qualified to judge anything I say. I reject you.

well now, this is one of those things you probably over looked while being a self taught bible teacher. do you know their were a plethra of books that could have been entered into a bible that weren't?

I own many of those book and I've actually read them.

and do you know why?

Yes, because when I read them the Holy ghost testified that they were not of God. They did not "feel right." And I was satisfied.

there were quite a few reasons but the biggest reason was that genealogy was either not their or it wasn't correct.

What a useless piece of information. And it probably isn't even right.

because if you don't believe in adam and eve, you don't believe in genealogy and then you may as well say you don't believe in CHRIST.

You can believe in all that, and you still don't know Christ. I don't see the point of all this, I told you, I teach that the story in Genesis 3 is history, what else do you wnat from me? Christ is the son of Adam. So are we ALL.

Acts 17 26 And (God) hath made of ONE all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

I do not believe in Christ because of his "pedigree" but because of his resurrection. You are soo hooked on all that knowledge which does not profit. Knowledge does not commend us to God.

that is right, you don't need to know the genealogy if you have a preacher that already does know it. and i will tell you that if it werent for the genealogy of these books you nor i nor anyone else would have ever been able to put these books in the bible!

You talk like it is up to us. we have the bible, and you are all worried over excuses of how it got here. You are a strange creature to me. Is this why are you a Christian? This is pointless. How will this turn us from our sins? That is the point. How has this knowledge falsely so-called helped anyone become like Christ?

if i am rong then educate me on this... please by all means if i am rong, set me strait.

What do you get for believing this stuff? Your knowledge has puffed you up, you have grown older and larger, but you have not grown wiser. All you are doing is assuming that I don't know these "special things" that you know and then you fault me based on your assumptions. And you have actually here substituted your false knowledge for the knowledge which leads to salvation, the true knowledge of our savior Jesus Christ "you don't believe in genealogy and then you may as well say you don't believe in CHRIST"

I don't "believe in" genealogy

I don't "believe in" how old the earth is

I don't "believe in" what day the Lord was Crucified on

I don't "believe in" what day the Lord was Born

I don't "believe in" the sky is blue

I don't "believe in" any such false knowledge

I only believe in the things which will lead me to salvation in Jesus Christ.

remember their are those who come in his name claiming to be CHRIST but din't listen for the are not!

Yeah, I'm looking at one.

i am open to learn anything, and i am a good learner!!!!

i just don't want to be teaching something that isn't right..

Yeah, well it doesn't matter what you want. It is not according to your will but unto God's if he has appointed you to stumble at the word, you will stumble at the word.

1Peter 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed

this is already answered above i have not asked or implied any usless questions or hidden mysteriest thoughts you are just paraanoid.

It is not about paranoia, don't flatter yourself. It's true though, you believe in fables ("Eve and Satan" - Rated R) and useless questions ("Do books not included in the bible include correct genealogies?"), you obviously don't know what a fable or useless question is, so how can you tell me? Because I do know what these things are.

How have these things helped you partake of the divine nature? Anything that does not do that, tends toward uselessness.

that is what i am talking about paul!!! you are saying to me that you are not a minister but if you have all this info why don't you teach?

Have you read any of my messages you FAKE? From the first message I sent you a link to my bible studies and you say this?

you say that you know all this stuff isn't true but then you don't back it up.

Not true. I've backed it up with scores of pages of documentation. But specifically regarding you, remember, I am reacting to your email, if you have a specific question, ask. I have backed up all kinds of things I have said to you with scripture, but you NEVER acknowledge it, you are rude and cowardly. Go back and answer my first arguments. Read my first email, I documented everything I said. If you haven't caught on to me, I have caught on to you. I do not take you seriously, I reject you. You are an enemy.

paul, anyone can read the words to the bible and some can even teach those words, but they can't teach the meaning, and some others can explain somethings but noone can explain everthing.

Once again, you know something that you think I don't and you fault me based on your assumptions. Perhaps you can tell me why Dr. Murray is not like Hymaneas or Philetus? Or again why I should not open my mouth against him, I documented it and you were silent. You must be very old, so as to be senile, and in that case, I pity you and apologize.

you are telling me all these things you know are rong but what is your veiw? what makes you veiw things in this way and where can i find it in my bible?

What should I do? Copy and paste my website in this email? Ask a question, better yet, go finish reading the webpage. I explained the "parable" comment, if you really want to know, go back and read. Or go away. All this junk you are saying about the genealogies is not from scripture, it is you opinion, there is no scripture to support it, and I brought out mine, you are not asking me questions, but trying to tell me a bunch of hogwash I have never read in the bible about genealogies and how the bible was put together. How am I supposed to document a negative? if it isn't in the bible it just isn't there. Shall I copy and paste you the whole bible here so you can see?

i believe in the bible because it is a repetative book, it says the same thing over and over again.

So is Harry Potter, I can't think of a more meaningless reason to believe in the bible. I believe in the bible because Jesus Christ rose from the dead and he pointed to it as containing the message that I might believe and live forever.

the bible is a great tool for the world when taught right.

I can only guess at what you might mean by that. But there are lots of great "tools for the world" I can't see the bible as a tool. A tool is something men use to manipulate things to conform to their will in this world. You can use the bible as a tool, but that is definitely not how I look at the bible, and the scripture does not speak of itself in that manner. The scriptures are God's tools and profitable, and a weapon, no doubt, but a "tool for the world." I don't see that. "Is the bible a great tool for the world? is another useless question.

it gives blessings to all who not only read it but also to those who do GOD's will (or atlease tries with a pure heart)

The heart is deceitful above all thing and desperately wicked. If your heart was pure, you would always do God's will.

and even with bad teachers sometimes who teach hell,fire and brimstone, for the simple fact that the fear of GOD is instilled in them!

You just contradicted yourself ("when taught right") No, hellfire teachers do this work:

2Peter2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

That is a different God than I teach. A God that would torture human beings eternally, is very different from my God.

You are totally twisted backwards Bob, you think that belief in "genealogies" is essential, but that if someone preaches eternal torture, violating one of the FOUNDATIONAL DOCTRINES OF CHRISTIANITY (Eternal Judgment - Heb 6:2) well, that's ok because they make people afraid of how God isn't.

You may have been ordained of men, Bob, but if God has ordained you, it is yet to be revealed.

i garentee you he isn't 100% right, niether are you or am i. but i will tell you 1 thing. i will try my best to please my FATHER YAHVEH with all my heart!

Wrong. When it comes to essential doctrine, your teaching must be unleavened.

becUSE CORRUPT IS SOMEONE WHO DOES SOMETHING INTENTIONALY.

That is not what the bible says. If the corrupt teachers really knew what they were doing they would not do it (1Cor 2). That is what God sends a strong delusion to damn people. (II Tess 2)

...But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom...Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

That is why God hardened Pharaohs heart.

Titus 2:7 In all things showing thyself a pattern of good works: in doctrine showing uncorruptness, gravity, sincerity,

I DON'T BELIEVE HE IS DOING THIS ON PERPOSE.

It doesn't matter, God will judge him for it anyway.

John 9:40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

They were blind ("Thou blind Pharisee"), but since they said that they saw, their sin remains, just like Dr. Murray. He may not realize he is misleading people, but because he says he has "eyes to see, he will still be held guilty" THAT is the teaching of Jesus Christ, whom you know not. Because they refused to acknowledge their blindness, their sins remained, The whole need not a physician. But everyone needs Christ. If you do not acknowledge your need then you get nothing, like the Pharisees.

IF IT WEREN'T FOR BRUCE LEE MARTIAL ARTS WOULDN'T BE AS WELL KNOWN TODAY AS IT IS!!! AND I CAN TELL YOU HE WAS NOT A FAKE, I ACTUALY KNOW PEOPLE HE HAD TRAINED WITH AND TRAINED WITH THEM. AND HE WAS A RED SASH IN WIN CHUN WITH THE YIP MAN CLAN AND HE WAS A VERY RESPECTED MARTIAL ARTIST, BUT NOT THE BEST!!!

Whatever, I'm not going to argue over something so pointless.

You labor under the delusion that Dr. Murray is preaching the Gospel.

BUT YOU KNOW AND I KNOW THAT ISN'T THE POINT OF WHAT DR MURRAY IS DOING,

No, I do think that because of Dr. Murray the true way is evil spoken of, because I teach the true way and the way I teach is spoken of as evil because of Dr. Murray's teachings.

HE WAS A WAY FOR YOU TO GET YOUR NAME OUT THERE AND EVEDENTLY IT WORKED SOMEWHAT WELL FOR YOU.

And he Got his name speaking Evil of God, things that are not true, "Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I HATE every FALSE WAY.." (Psalm 119)

So what, If God uses Dr. Murray to promote me? It is like saying that Jesus got his name from the Pharisees. The righteous will inherit the possessions of the wicked. So what? He is a thief, he steals God's words.

IF YOU ARE NOT TEACHING ANYONE AS A PASTOR AND MINISTERING TO THEM AND YOU BREAK THEM AWAY FROM THE LORD FOR SOME KIND OF MUSIC,THEN YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF.

Lord Murray? You are talking nonsense. why don't you go figure out who I am before you write me again.

WHO IS YOUR GOD? AND WHAT IS DIFFERENT ABOUT HIM?

If you will inquire, then come back and find out.

IN WHAT WAY?

I've written about it, I'm not going to waste my time on another lengthy explanation to someone so obviously deaf to my words. If you want to know, then find it out I HAVE ALREADY SAID IT TO THE WORLD, You have wasted my time enough. You have failed to impress me at all, Mr. Ordained Minister.

I DO KNOW OF OTHER PREACHERS THAT TALK SOME MAJOR SMACK TO GET OUT OF PREACHING FROM THE BIBLE AND OTHERS WHO THROUGH BIBLE VERSES THAT THEY CAN'T UNDERSTAND THEMSELF OR MAKE THEM TO BE OF SOMETHING TOTALY NOT RELATED TO ANYTHING, I THINK YOU KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING.

Yeah, I teach the bible verse by verse, go study. Listen to my first teaching on John 1 on you tube

http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulStringini I gave you the other links too, are you just LAZY?

YOU SEE ALL I HEAR FROM YOU IS WHAT DR MURRAY DOES RONG,

That is the subject of my Shepherd's Chapel page, it is not about "me"

I NEVER HEAR WHAT IS THE RIGHT WAY TO EXPLAIN IT AND WHAT THE TRUETH( YOUR TRUETH IS).

I already know you have not read my webpage or listened to my bible studies.

ARE YOU SURE THAT 200,000 WASN'T FROM BASHING THE MAN?

I do not bash the man. I bash his doctrine and his ministry. And I should have said "per month" not per day, about one quarter of the traffic to my site is related to the Shepherds Chapel (at least based on the search strings)

AND WITH THE PEOPLE WHO LISTEN TO YOU NOW, HOW MANEY OF THEM DO YOU TEACH?

One plants another waters, I have faith. I offer the teachings to all, (and mine are Free on demand, unlike Dr. Murray's archives) I am the savor of death to some and the savor of life to others. If my words destroy the faith of some they build the faith of others, and who is sufficient for these things?

2Cor2:15 For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
16 To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?
17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

DID THEY HAVE THE OPPERTUNITY TO LISTEN TO DR MURRAY TO REBUTE ANYTHING HE SAID? OR DID YOU JUST GET THEM OUT OF LEARNING ALL TOGETHER?

Is that really an either or question? Who made me a ruler and a lord over them. I'm here, come and listen.

OK, YOU GET PAID FOR YOUR MUSIC RIGHT?

Nope. Wrong. That is why it is so popular.

WELL I CAN TELL YOU FOR SURE THAT DR MURRAY DON'T GET PAID FOR WHAT HE DOES,

Really?

I CAN TELL YOU( BECAUSE I DIDN'T BELIVE IT MYSELF) THAT HE HAS NOT TAKEN A CENT FOR THE PAST 7 YEARS FOR TEACHING THE BIBLE.

Yes, but he is also president of a television network, does he get paid for that? He is always carefuol to say he does not get paid "for teaching" but he does get to fly around in that Jet, and he does have one snazzy wardrobe. Arkansas law makes it impossible to investigate his organization. Dr. Murray is getting paid, just not for teaching.

THAT TO ME SAYS A LOT ABOUT A MAN.

No one pays me, Dr. Murray is rich.

I TO DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANYONE SHOULD BE PAID FOR BEING A BIBLE TEACHER.

Well, then you are in disagreement with the bible. The worst part of this is that he is deceiving people about this "I don't get paid" He BENEFITS directly from the ministry, count on it.

1Cor 9:11 If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things?
12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ.
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
14 Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

God ordained it, who are you to disannul, no man has to use this power, but it is right, you ought to be paying me for this education, Dr. Murray would never give you this kind of attention, I don't want your money, but God wil hold you accountable for how you counted the service of his servants as a light thing.

2Sam 24:24 Nay; but I will surely buy it of thee at a price: neither will I offer burnt offerings unto the LORD my God of that which doth cost me nothing.

I feel sorry for you, that you have been teaching people such things.

YOU SPEAK WELL FOR YOUR AGE, IF YOU ARE IN TUNED WITH GODS WORD YOU WILL BE A FINE TEACHER IF YOU AREN'T ALREADY!

Bob, I want to like you I do, but you need to stop talking and start listening, that's all I have for you.

I TO THOUGHT YEARS AGO ABOUT DOING THE SAME EXACT THING AS YOU, DON'T GET ME RONG I AM NOT BASHING YOU, I LIKE A CERTAIN KIND OF MUSIC AND THAT IS THAT. BESIDES I COULDN'T PUT THESE SONGS INTO A COUNTRY SETTING AND MAKE THEM SOUND RIGHT.

That pretty much sums up how you approach God's word. You have already determined the shape it should take, you have put it in that form, and I tell you, it doesn't sound right.. You are forcing it to conform to your tastes and opinions. I love country music, (especially the older stuff) but it is of an entirely different spirit than God's word. It can't fit.

Sincerely

Paul Stringini

PS, I will not reply again unless God reveals to me that I really ought to, I may give a final reply when I post your message to my webpage, I may give you the last word.

----- Original Message -----

From: Name And Address Withheld

To: PAUL STRINGINI

Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:42 PM

Subject: RE:

EDITORIAL NOTE: At this point he started replying inserting comments in the text of my replies, I have highlighted his comments in red.

From: reborn@oraclesofgod.org
To: Name And Address Withheld
Subject: Re: RE:
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:44:31 -0500

Bob, first my bible study page is http://oraclesofgod.org/studies/studies.html    I recommend Matthew since you really need to hear the true Gospel, I have not got to the old testament yet but I just started recording last year and I wanted to cover the NT first.

"as i recalled it, you had acted like , so what and what about it, like it did have any relavents whatsoever."

If you did not grasp my opinion on the matter the first time, you should grasp it now. And whether it is a parable, or not, does not really matter to me because I'm prepared to believe it which ever way is true. If it is a parable, would you stop believing in Jesus Christ?  I wouldn't, I don't have all these cumbrances of false knowledge that you seem to be bearing.

OK, SO YOU ARE ADMITTING YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, YOU ARE SAYING YOU WILL BELIEVE IT EITHER WAY, WELL WHICH DO YOU BELIEVE? IT CAN'T WORK BOTH WAYS. YOU KNOW YOU SEEM LIKE A SOMEWHAT SMART GUY( IN THE BEGINING) SO WHY RUIN IT BY SAYING SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

IF IT WAS A PARABLE AND HAD NO TRUTH TO IT, IT WOULD BE HARD TO BE A BELIEVER IN GOD THE WAY I BELIEVE... YOU SEE, ONE OF THE REASONS I STARTED TO GET INTO THE BIBLE WAS, WHEN I WAS A LITTLE BOY, I WANTED TO BE A CATHLIC PRIEST, (DON'T ASK ME WHY NOW) AND I KNEW THAT THERE WAS A GOD BUT, EVERYTIME I ASKED A QUESTION I GOT A BUNCH OF STORIES OR "I AM NOT QUITE SURE BUT, I KNOW WE ARE TO LOVE GOD AND BE GOOD TO EACH OTHER. THAT CRAP DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTIONS AND I HAD A LONG PROBLEM TRYING TO READ FOR MYSELF BECAUSE, ALL THAT CRAP I LEARNED GROWING UP, I COULDN'T GET THAT PAST MY MIND ( EVERYTHING THAT WAS SUGGESTED TO ME AS A CHILD) AND I DIDNT SEE ANYTHING OTHER THEN I WAS TAUGHT. AS I GREW UP I LEARNED TO READ FOR ME AND I STARTED TO PUT 2 AND 2 TOGETHER I STARTD LEARNING.

THIS SO CALLED PARABLE OR TRUE THING IS PARTIALY BOTH, OR SHOULD I SAY TRUE BUT USING EUPHONISMS. YOU SEE, IF YOU HAVE ANY COLOR OF PEOPLE IN THE WORLD BE IT WHITE, BLACK, YELLOW ,BROWN OR EVEN RED, I WANT YOU TO TELL ME HOW YOU CAN COME UP WITH OTHER RACES? THIER WOULD ONLY BE ONE RACE! AND WHY WOULD THE GENEALOGY LEAD TO ALL THE 8TH DAY CREATION TO LEAD TO CHRIST? AND HOW DOES THE BEGINING EXPLAIN ITSELF BETTER?

dr murray does indeed see some of it as a parable but only parts ( at least that is what i got from him).

You are quite generous to that guy, and he teaches that the bible is not saying what it is clearly saying in Genesis 3. I can't respect you. You have two standards of judgment, one for him and you and one for me.



AND?

some of what he says is far out but, you know a lot of what he teaches is good. such as (YAHVEH), do you know how maney people have no clue of GOD's name?\

What is so great about that? There is one name under heaven whereby we must be saved. And God has given HIM a name that is above every name. That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow and every tongue confess. I wrote an article on my webpage regarding why I stopped using the "sacred name."

NO, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT YASHUA NOT YAHVEH WHEN YOU SAY SO WHAT "AND GOD HAS GIVEN HIM A NAME" AND THEN YOU WENT TO JESUS? THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING! YOU ARE RIGHT JESUS AND GOD ARE AS ONE BUT WHAT YOU JUST WROTE DON'T MAKE SENSE?

there are a lot of other things that i would rather my kids listen to dr murray then to goto a church in the neighborohood.

To me, that is like saying, I'd rather have my kids drink arsenic than cyanide.

THAT SHOWS YOUR MANTALITY. YOU DON'TEVEN HAVE A CLUE. IF YOU WERE SO AGAINST DR MURRAY TEACHING THESE SO CALLED LIES AND WANTING EVERONE TO THINK LIKE HIM THEN YOU WOULD FIND A WAY TO AIR YOUR OWN BIBLE SHOW AND WOULD SHOW US HOW IT IS DONE! TEACH US THE WAY GOD WANTS US TO BE TAUGHT!

Editorial Comment: I love his comment "That shows your mentality." That would be the mentality that I would rather not poison my children. His "choice" is a false dilemma.

at lease they would have a better chance of learning to read for themselves,

I don't think so. He teaches line by line, but there is nothing about that that makes people think for themselves. He conditions people to read the bible the way HE reads it. So they start seeing the same things he sees, and missing the same things he misses.

AND SO HOW SHOULD IT BE TAUGHT? YOU TALK A GOOD GAME! YOU KNOW, THERE ARE RELIGIONS OUT THERE THAT DON'T EVER EVEN READ THE BIBLE AND THAT WILL DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM READING IT. I WILL TAKE MY CHANCES WITH A MAN WHO WILL TELL MY KIDS TO READ BEFORE ONE THAT WOULDN'T. THAT WOULD BE OK I GUESS TO TAKE THEM TO A CHURCH THAT WOULD TEACH RAPTURE I GUESS? IF YOU THINK THAT IS OK THEN YOU ARE CRAZY!!!!!

in wich case dr murray is known for " don't take this man's word or any other man's word, you read for yourself" i do very much respect that.

Yeah, he says that, and many people relax and think, "well he must be a good guy or he wouldn't say that," but it doesn't mean that. He tells people to think for themselves, but he does not teach them how to do that, he teaches them to think like him. And that is absolute. He can tack on statements like that but they don't really mean anything unless you give heed to it. And many definitely do not, so it is pointless.  If he is a false teacher it is pointless, and it is pointless if he is true, it is just self-serving.

I AM SORRY I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE A MIND READER TOO! AND NOW IF HE IS RIGHT OR RONG IT IS SELF SERVING? DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU BELIEVE?

as for your latter statement about the garden of eden, i to teach that parts of it are what it is and others are parables, and there was sex involved in it and i do believe that cane is the son of satain and that the kinites are the desendents of cane.

You believe sex was invoolved, yet it says that they ate a fruit, never does it anywhere (and not in 2 Corinthinas either! ) and it says the fruit was edible and that they ate it and that it grew out of the ground, I covered this subject extensively in other emails. If you really care about the truth then dig for them, all your questions are answered there. And honestly, for admiting this now, you ought to be slapped in the face for giving me a hard time about saying it could be a parable, all the while, according to you, it MUST be a parable, if parts of it are not real then it is not a literal history, it is metaphorical alegorical, whatever, but according to your view it isn't a literal history of the precise way in which man fell.

NOW I SEE YOU DIDN'T READ THIS PART OF THE BIBLE, OR AT LEAST YOU DON'T REMEBER WHAT IT SAYS! AND IT DOES SAY IN 2 CORINTH. THAT EVE WAS WHOLEY SUDUCED. BUT THEN AGAIN THAT COULD BE A PARABLE TOO. LOOK, THAT IS WHY GOD MADE SOME TO TEACH AND OTHERS TO LEARN, YOU ARE A LEARNER BECAUSE YOU OBIOUSLY DON'T READ THE MANUSCRIPTS WITH KNOWLAGE BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW THE HEBREW, ARAMAIC OR GREEK AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT A EUPHONISM IS FROM A NORMAL STATEMENT AND WHEN YOU TALK TO AN EDUCATED MAN YOU FIGHT SO HARD TO MAKE YOUR POINT BUT ARE UNABLE TO MAKE THAT POINT WITH NO KNOWLAGE! I WILL PRAY FOR YOU . LOOK I CAN TELL YOU LIKE TO BASH HIM BECAUSE YOU GET PUBLISITY FROM IT BUT, IT IS NOT GOOD IF THIS IS THE WAY YOU NEED TO MAKE YOUR GAIN! A MAN DOES WHAT HE HAS TO TO MAKE MONEY AND SOMETIMES IT IS DISHONEST BUT NOT DISRACEFULL LIKE THAT!

well i am a bible teacher, you are right about the ordaination of a pastor when you said ordaination don't mean you are qualified and noone needs to be ordained, I have preached the very same thing and said who ordained jesus? but the Father ordained him!

Good.

and so i am qualified to read something that sounds like someone didn't care about the bible and at the same time call himself a teacher.

I guess you are referring to my comments on the garden and I'll say it again, I do not care which it is, and that is what makes you a know-it-all, you have preconceptions about how things ought to be, based on MAN's wisdom. And you interpret the bible based on that wisdom. I don't, if Genesis is literal, I accept it as such, and if it is a parable, I would also accept that, I DON"T CARE WHICH IT IS. I believe it is true as it is written, I do not see any reason to read Dr. Murray's FABLES into Genesis 3 but my attitude in approaching the subject is that it does not HAVE to be one way or the other. Teacher, teach yourself, you are not qualified to judge anything I say. I reject you.

NO , I REBUKE YOU AND ALL OF YOUR PAGAN RITUALS AND ALL YOU PAGAN WAYS. LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING! YOU ARE SO UNEDUCATED YOU SOUND LIKE A 5 YEAR OLD KID WITH YOUR WORDS AT THIS POINT! IS THAT YOUR HEAVENLY WAYS? NOT OF THIS WORLD? THE WISDOM OF MAN? LOOK PAL, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU BELIEVE AND THE ONLY THING YOU DO IS MAKE MUSIC WITH WORDS FROM THE BIBLE! ANYONE CAN DO THAT! ANYONE CAN READ THEM WORD AND CAN MAKE UP A SONG! I KNOW I WILL TELL MY GRSNDSON TO DO IT AND I'LL BET HE WILL MAKE MORE MONEY THEN YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE A FRAUD! YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU BELIEVE OR NOT. WHAT A JOKE!!! MAYBE I WILL HAVE HIM JUDGE YOU CAUSE HIS GRANDAD HAD AN EXPIERIANCE WITH YOU. HOW WOULD THAT BE?

well now, this is one of those things you probably over looked while being a self taught bible teacher. do you know their were a plethra of books that could have been entered into a bible that weren't?

I own many of those book and I've actually read them.

REALY? I BET YOU A MILLION DOLLARS YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OF THEM! I WILL BET YOU YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY ARE! MR KNOW IT ALL!!!

Editorial Note: I should have collected the money, but really it is a false point based on his ignorance. None of the books that are commonly said to have been "left out" have ever been shown to have any legitimate claim to be Apostolic. Most are known to have been written centuries after their supposed authors had died. The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha do not belong in the bible, they do not come of the same spirit as the scriptures received/written by the Apostles and Christ.

and do you know why?

Yes, because when I read them the Holy ghost testified that they were not of God. They did not "feel right." And I was satisfied.

I WILL TELL YOU SOMETHING. PASTOR MURRAY IS 100% RIGHT ABOUT. THERE HAS BEEN NOR IS THERE AT THIS TIME ANY PROFITS SINCE JOHN THE BAPTIST!   ARE YOU TELLING ME OR THESE PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE A PROFIT? WHO ARE YOU JAMES JONES? OH, YOU MAY BE TO YOUNG TO KNOW WHO HE IS!

there were quite a few reasons but the biggest reason was that genealogy was either not their or it wasn't correct.



What a useless piece of information. And it isn't even right. Most of the books of the bible do not contain Geneology.

I KNOW SOMETHING I AM 100% RIGHT ABOUT! YOU SHOULD SEE A SHRINK BEFORE YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF INOCENT PEOPLE DRINK POISON AND YOU ARE NOT A BIBLE TEACHER AT ALL! DID YOU EVEN GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL? I WILL TELL YOU THIS! I WILL SHOW MY WIFE AND OTHER HIGH SCHOOL GRADS SOME OF THESE THINGS YOU RIGHT AND I WILL TELL YOU HOW MANEY OF THEM THINK YOU ARE MENTALY HANDICAP AND I WILL LET YOU KNOW!

because if you don't believe in adam and eve, you don't believe in genealogy and then you may as well say you don't believe in CHRIST.

You can believe in all that, and you still don't know Christ. I don't see the point of all this, I told you, I teach that the story in Genesis 3 is history, what else do you wnat from me? Christ is the son of Adam. So are we ALL.

SO WHERE DID ALL OF THE RACES COME FROM? ENLIGHTEN ME, PLEASE? DR MURRAY IS RIGHT AGAIN. MARY IS THE MOTHER OF ALL LIVING BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN CHRIST, YOU AREN'T LIVING!!!!!

Acts 17 26 And (God) hath made of ONE all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

YES, NOW YOU ARE TALKING THE FIRST EARTH AGE! VERY GOOD!

I do not believe in Christ because of his "pedigree" but because of his resurrection. You are soo hooked on all that knowledge which does not profit. Knowledge does not commend us to God.

OK, YOU KISS AND LOVE THE ANTI CHRIST, SPEND HIS MONEY AND DO HIS WORKS. THAT WILL GET GOD TO LOVE YA, AINT THAT RIGHT? CAUSE YOU DON'T NEED TO READ YOUR BIBLE, RIGHT? YOU WILL FLY AWAY? GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!

that is right, you don't need to know the genealogy if you have a preacher that already does know it. and i will tell you that if it werent for the genealogy of these books you nor i nor anyone else would have ever been able to put these books in the bible!

You talk like it is up to us. we have the bible, and you are all worried over excuses of how it got here. You are a strange creature to me. Is this why are you a Christian? This is pointless. How will this turn us from our sins? That is the point. How has this knowledge falsely so-called helped anyone become like Christ?

AGAIN YOU SAY US LIKE YOU ARE A PREACHER? WHO DO YOU TEACH? YOU ARE A SINGER! NOT A TEACHER! YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU BELIEVE! ARE YOU A BORN AGAIN CHRISTINE? YOU SOUND LIKE IT. OR A MORMAN. YOU MAY WANT TO SEE HOW MANEY OF THEM TURNED TO YOU. SEE YOUSOMEWHERE SOME HOW IMPRESSED SOMEONE WHO SAID SOMETHING NICE TO YOU, BECAUSE THE WERE IGNORANT THEMSELVES! LOOK IF/WHEN YOU SEE YOU NEED A TEACHER, LET ME KNOW, I WILL HELP YOU!!!

if i am rong then educate me on this... please by all means if i am rong, set me strait.

What do you get for believing this stuff? Your knowledge has puffed you up, you have grown older and larger, but you have not grown wiser. All you are doing is assuming that I don't know these "special things" that you know and then you fault me based on your assumptions.  And you have actually here substituted your false knowledge for the knowledge which leads to salvation, the true knowledge of our savior Jesus Christ

LOOK SPORT, YOU DON'T KNOWWHAT YOU ARE DOING, YOU NEED PROFESSIONAL HELP, AND I HOPE YOU GET IT. YOU ARE LIKE A LITTLE KID TRYING TO ARGUE WITH YOUR DADDY WHAT IS RITGHT AND WHAT IS RONG, ALL THE TIME THINKING THE LITTLE BOY KNOWS IT ALL. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT SON. WHEN YOU GET BIG AND YOU SEE YOUR KIDS DOING THIS SAME THING THEN YOU WILL KNOW. UNTIL THEN GOOD LUCK TO YOU. YOU ARE GOING TO NEED IT WITH THE THINGS YOU KNOW.

"you don't believe in genealogy and then you may as well say you don't believe in CHRIST"

I don't "believe in" genealogy

I don't "believe in" how old the earth is

I don't "believe in" what day the Lord was Crucified on

I don't "believe in" what day the Lord was Born

I don't "believe in" the sky is blue

I don't "believe in" any such false knowledge

I only believe in the things which will lead me to salvation in Jesus Christ.

AT LEAST THATS WHAT YOU THINK.

remember their are those who come in his name claiming to be CHRIST but din't listen for the are not!

Yeah, I'm looking at one.

YOU MUST BE LOOKING IN THE MIRROR!

i am open to learn anything, and i am a good learner!!!!

Not true.

YOU ARE ONLY RIGHT TO A DEGREE, YOU SEE I WONT LEARN PAGANISM!

believe me!

I reject you.

NO,I REBUKE YOU!

i just don't want to be teaching something that isn't right..

Yeah, well it doesn't matter what you want. It is not according to your will but unto God's if he has appointed you to stumble at the word, you will stumble at the word.

1Peter 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed

THAT HAS YOUR NAME ALL OVER IT!

this is already answered above i have not asked or implied any usless questions or hidden mysteriest thoughts you are just paraanoid.

It is not about paranoia, don't flatter yourself. It's true though, you believe in fables ("Eve and Satan" - Rated R) and useless questions ("Do books not included in the bible include correct geneologies?"), you obviously don't know what a fable or useless question is, so how can you tell me? Because I do know what these things are.

SO IF GENEOLOGY IS NOT IMPORTANT I GUESS JESUS MY BE A FABLE TO?

How have these things helped you partake of the divine nature?
BECAUSE I TEACH TRUETH.
Anything that does not do that, tends toward uselessness.

AND THAT BE YOU.

that is what i am talking about paul!!! you are saying to me that you are not a minister but if you have all this info why don't you teach?

Have you read any of my messages you FAKE? From the first message I sent you a link to my bible studies and you say this?

NO, THAT WAS TO YOUR MUSIC.

you say that you know all this stuff isn't true but then you don't back it up.

Not true. I've backed it up with scores of pages of documentation. But specifically regarding you, remember, I am reacting to your email, if you have a specific question, ask. I have backed up all kinds of things I have said to you with scripture, but you NEVER acknowledge it, you are rude and cowardly. Go back and answer my first arguments. Read my first email, I documented everything I said. If you haven't caught on to me, I have caught on to you. I do not take you seriously, I reject you. You are an enemy.

YES YOU GIVE A LOT OF BIBLICAL SCRIPTURE AND YOU TALK ALOT BUT, YOU KNOW AS WELL AS I DO YOU DON'T PRACTISE WHAT YOU PREACH AND YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN WHAT YOU SAY ANYWAY, YOU REMEMBER PAUL IT MAY BE A PARABLE? YOU DONT CARE? YOU WILL BELIEVE IT EITHER WAY? THEY HAVE MEDICINE FOR THAT PAUL!

paul, anyone can read the words to the bible and some can even teach those words, but they can't teach the meaning, and some others can explain somethings but noone can explain everthing.

Once again, you know something that you think I don't and you fault me based on your assumptions. Perhaps you can tell me why Dr. Murray is not like Hymaneas or Philetus? Or again why I should not open my mouth against him, I documented it and you were silent. You must be very old, so as to be senile, and in that case, I pity you and apologize.

I AM OLDER THEN YOU SON, AND I AM AN EDUCATED MAN, NOT AN UNEDUCATED BOY THAT IS WANTING TO BE AN EDUCATED MAN. AND IF I TROUGH SOME VERSES AT YOU THEY WOULDN'T BE NICE AND YOU AS SATAIN WOULD DO IS JUST TWIST THEM SO I WONT BOTHER. AND WHEN I AM SENILE I WILL STILL OUTWEIGH YOU IN KNOWLAGE. YOU SOUND LIKE YOU WANT TO JUST BEAT ME UP.

you are telling me all these things you know are rong but what is your veiw? what makes you veiw things in this way and where can i find it in my bible?

What should I do? Copy and paste my website in this email? Ask a question, better yet, go finish reading the webpage. I explained the "parable" comment, if you really want to know, go back and read. Or go away. All this junk you are saying about the geneologies is not from scripture, it is you opinion, there is no scripture to support it, and I brought out mine, you are not asking me questions, but trying to tell me a bunch of hogwash I have never read in the bible about geneologies and how the bible was put together. How am I supposed to document a negative? if it isn't in the bible it just isn't there. Shall I copy and paste you the whole bible here so you can see?

SO THE WAY CHRIST WAS BORN THE TREE HE CAME FROM THEY ARE ALL ERELAVENT? AND YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN ANYTHING BECAUSE IT MAY BE A PARABLE? AND I AM DUMB? LOOK IN THE MIRROR!

I HAVE ALL THE BOOKS I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE TRUETH IS AND I AM FLUENT IN ALL BIBLE TOUNGES UNLIKE YOU!

i believe in the bible because it is a repetative book, it says the same thing over and over again.

So is Harry Potter, I can't think of a more meaningless reason to believe in the bible. I believe in the bible because Jesus Christ rose from the dead and he pointed to it as containing the message that I might believe and live forever.

ARE YOU SURE THAT WASN'T A PARABLE?

the bible is a great tool for the world when taught right.

I can only guess at what you might mean by that. But there are lots of great "tools for the world" I can't see the bible as a tool. A tool is something men use to manipulate things to conform to their will in this world. You can use the bible as a tool, but that is definitely not how I look at the bible, and the scripture does not speak of itself in that manner. The scriptures are God's tools and profitable, and a weapon, no doubt, but a "tool for the world." I don't see that. "Is the bible a great tool for the world? is another useless question.

WELL NOWYOU ARE SAYING GOD IS WRONG

it gives blessings to all who not only read it but also to those who do GOD's will (or atlease tries with a pure heart)

The heart is deceitful above all thing and desperately wicked. If your heart was pure, you would always do God's will.

SO BY TEACHING YOU I AM DOING BAD? BELIEVE ME IT IS GODS WILL FOR ME TO TRY AND SAVE EVERY SOUL FROM THE FIRE.
and even with bad teachers sometimes who teach hell,fire and brimstone, for the simple fact that the fear of GOD is instilled in them!

You just contradicted yourself ("when taught right")   No, hellfire teachers do this work:

WELL I STAND CORRECTED, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THOSE TEACHING THAT THE LORD HATES US. I DO HOWEVERKNOW THAT SOME CHILDREN WANT TO KNOW GOD AFTER THINGS LIKE THAT ARE SAID THAT THEY WANT TO KNOW DOES HE LOVE ME OR HATE ME AND THEN WANT TO READ FOR THEMSELVES LIKE I DID.

2Peter2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

That is a different God than I teach. A God that would torture human beings eternally, is very different from my God.

I HOPE YOU DON'T HAVE TO FIND THAT OUT.

You are totally twisted backwards Bob, you think that belief in "genealogies" is essential, but that if someone preaches eternal torture, violating one of the FOUNDATIONAL DOCTRINES OF CHRISTIANITY (Eternal Judgment - Heb 6:2) well, that's ok because they make people afraid of how God isn't.

THEY DO SOMETIMES STOP PEOPLE FROM DOING DUMB THINGS!

You may have been ordained of men, Bob, but if God has ordained you, it is yet to be revealed.

REVEALING SOMETHING TO YOU WOULD BE HARD, YOU WOULD BE ASKING IF IT WERE A PARABLE.

i garentee you he isn't 100% right, niether are you or am i. but i will tell you 1 thing. i will try my best to please my FATHER YAHVEH with all my heart!

Wrong. When it comes to essential doctrine, iour teaching must be unleavened.

HOW CAN THAT BE? YOU HAVE BEEN TELLING ME YOU DON'T CARE IF THE BIBLE SPEAKS OF PARABLES OR NOT, YOU WILL BELIEVE EITHER OR. HOW DO YOU DO THAT ANYWAY?

becUSE CORRUPT IS SOMEONE WHO DOES SOMETHING INTENTIONALY.

That is not what the bible says. If the corrupt teachers really knew what they were doing they would not do it (1Cor 2). That is what God sends a strong delusion to damn people. (II Tess 2)

John 9:40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth ( THIS CAME FROM YOU)

WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING WITHOUT KNOWING IT IS RONG IT IS WITHOUT SIN, ONCE YOU KNOW IT IS RONG THEN IT IS A SIN.

...But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom...Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

THAT WOULD BE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE KINITES.

That is why God hardened Pharaohs heart.

BECAUSE HE WAS NOT A GODLY MAN AND HE WAS A KINITE

I DON'T BELIEVE HE IS DOING THIS ON PERPOSE.

It doesn't matter, God will judge him for it anyway.

OK, SO I GUESS NOW YOU KNOW WHAT HIS PRAYERS ARE. DON'T TELL ME LET ME GUESS? GOD DON'T FORGIVE PEOPLE ? IS THAT IT PREACHER? OR DO YOU KNOW DR MURRAY BECAUSE YOU ARE A PROFIT? DID GOD TELL YOU THIS? YOU ALREADY ADMITTED YOU HEAR VOICES THAT GOD TOLD YOU THESE BOOKS THAT WERENT IN THE BIBLE WERE RONG. TALKING ABOUT A FAKE? LOOK AT YOURSELF YOU JOKER.

John 9:40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

THIS SAYS IT BEST DON'T IT? .... UNFORTUNATELY I HAVE A JOB SO I WILL FINISH THIS TOMORROW

----- Original Message -----

From: Paul Stringini

To: Name And Address Withheld

Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 8:18 AM

Subject: Re: RE:

OK, SO YOU ARE ADMITTING YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, YOU ARE SAYING YOU WILL BELIEVE IT EITHER WAY, WELL WHICH DO YOU BELIEVE? IT CAN'T WORK BOTH WAYS. YOU KNOW YOU SEEM LIKE A SOMEWHAT SMART GUY( IN THE BEGINING) SO WHY RUIN IT BY SAYING SOMETHING LIKE THAT?

What a ridiculous thing to say. I SAID, I believe the story in Genesis is HISTORY - NOT PARABLE, I think you have a reading problem I was just allowing that it COULD be a parable, because I DON"T KNOW EVERYTHING, YOU on the other hand have already said "parts of it are a parable" and now you say to me "it can't be both. " What is wrong with you?

I can't take you seriously, I think you are jerking my chain, you don't read what I write, except to try to find "something" you can misinterpret to try to fault me.

IF IT WAS A PARABLE AND HAD NO TRUTH TO IT,

Do the parables of Jesus have no truth to them? What a ridiculous thing to say. you don't think right.

I WANT YOU TO TELL ME HOW YOU CAN COME UP WITH OTHER RACES? THIER WOULD ONLY BE ONE RACE!

You don't know anything about how genetics work and what races represent. Races represent a LOSS of genetic diversity. This is a scientific FACT. Dr. Murrays view on races is based on ignorance and common non-sense. When the races mix back up they can sometimes replicate the genetic diversity which existed in ages past before the races separated. The couple below produced these two twin girls, one very black, one very white. The parents themselves were the products of mixed race parents, so this represents two generations of mixing, and they were able to produce a blonde haired blue eyed child and a black one. Twins.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_black_and_white_twins.htm

This is a true story, it has been verified as true by the urban legends website, this is not legend, it happened. If the races were as you assume, and genetics worked like you misunderstand, then mixed race parents would just produce muddier and muddier children. But as races mix back up, a very diverse variety of children can be produced from parents who look nothing like the child. Two "black" people (second generation mixed) produced a lily white pure blue eyed Aryan girl, that is how genetics work. Races are not "pure" races are produced by the isolation and degeneration of genetic information in isolated populations.

AND IT DOES SAY IN 2 CORINTH. THAT EVE WAS WHOLEY SUDUCED

No it does not. The word "seduced" does not require a sexual connotation, the Greek word exapatao does not, it means "to trick" it does not mean to sexually seduce. There is a fine example of where Dr. Murray ignores the manuscripts and takes advantage of the fact that in English "seduced" has come to IMPLY sex, but the Greek word does not imply that.

I AM AN EDUCATED MAN

That is a joke, your spelling and grammar betray you.

I am an uneducated man. And thank God for that

I may respond to the rest of your ignorance inspired letter later, I do feel sorry for you, but you are not listening at all, you keep trying to teach me, but you are not fit to teach me, you need to shut up and listen, until you do that, you are wasting my time.

I told you many times I had bible studies, but you kept ignoring that fact, you are a disingenuous person.

Please do not bother me any more until you are ready to humble yourself and learn.

I wish I made money from this because I do enjoy talking about the word and I do enjoy turning people away from a ministry which will not profit them but I this ministry has always been an expense for me in time and cash.

I had said: I reject you.

NO , I REBUKE YOU AND ALL OF YOUR PAGAN RITUALS AND ALL YOU PAGAN WAYS.

This is just weird. I don't practice any rituals, pagan or otherwise. I don't even have personal rituals, I'm one of the least ritualized people you could ever meet.

LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING! YOU ARE SO UNEDUCATED YOU SOUND LIKE A 5 YEAR OLD KID WITH YOUR WORDS AT THIS POINT!

Titus 3:10 A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject;

I can't describe what this guy sounds like because it would be too insulting.

IS THAT YOUR HEAVENLY WAYS? NOT OF THIS WORLD? THE WISDOM OF MAN? LOOK PAL, YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU BELIEVE

Behold the fruit of Arnold Murray's teachings. A know-nothing know-it-all, puffed up with pride and self assurance who cannot stand on the word but must resort to personal attacks and insults to feel himself victorious. Is this the mouth and wisdom that the Lord spoke of, which your enemies would not be able to gainsay nor resist? Christ is with me, not the followers of Arnold Murray. It is obvious. Their confusion and consternation betray them.

AND THE ONLY THING YOU DO IS MAKE MUSIC WITH WORDS FROM THE BIBLE! ANYONE CAN DO THAT!

But not everyone does.

ANYONE CAN READ THEM WORD AND CAN MAKE UP A SONG!

And I have seen some of their work and it is not good. Anyone can make a song, but to make a good song that fits the word is another thing. I have heard some terrible scripture music. Many people don't like mine, but then I listen to what they like and I realize, sure they don't like my music, they have bad tastes.

I KNOW I WILL TELL MY GRSNDSON TO DO IT AND I'LL BET HE WILL MAKE MORE MONEY THEN YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE A FRAUD!

And you are greedy too. I don't make any money doing the music because since 1998 I have given my music freely. I'm about to release my first commercial album but all the songs have been available for free.

YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU BELIEVE OR NOT. WHAT A JOKE!!!

Hilarious. This is the sort of abuse I endure at the hands of the students of Shepherd's Chapel. The Pharisees were kinder to Christ, than these so-called Christians are to me.

MAYBE I WILL HAVE HIM JUDGE YOU CAUSE HIS GRANDAD HAD AN EXPIERIANCE WITH YOU. HOW WOULD THAT BE?

Now he is imagining him self in the Millennium in a position of power.

I had said: Yes, because when I read them the Holy ghost testified that they were not of God. They did not "feel right." And I was satisfied.

I WILL TELL YOU SOMETHING. PASTOR MURRAY IS 100% RIGHT ABOUT. THERE HAS BEEN NOR IS THERE AT THIS TIME ANY PROFITS SINCE JOHN THE BAPTIST! ARE YOU TELLING ME OR THESE PEOPLE THAT YOU ARE A PROFIT?

He hates that I talk about the Holy Ghost testifying to my spirit the truth of a matter. If the fact that I speak and teach by the power and wisdom of the Holy Spirit leads you to draw any conclusions then draw whatever conclusions you wish.

WHO ARE YOU JAMES JONES? OH, YOU MAY BE TO YOUNG TO KNOW WHO HE IS!

This guy does strike me as the sort who would expect everyone to be as ignorant as he is about things that happened before his time.