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"You sir, probably need to watch how u judge people and mind your own business."

Question/Comment:

----- Original Message -----
From: <Name And Address Withheld>
To: <reborn@oraclesofgod.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:25 PM
Subject: You are disturbing!!!
To whom it may concern,
   I don't know who u are or how I found ur web page, but when I Googled Shepard's chapel, I came across ur link. So I saw u were once a student of Shepard's chapel, and now ur bad mouthing Murray!! I have been a student with Arnold Murray since I can remember. I grew up every other Sunday driving over 100 miles to go to church at the chapel. And now I'm married to a Baptist wife and Have a beautiful son that God has blessesd me with. 
 I  have not been to the chapel in awhile cause of work, but I do still watch HIM on t.v. Murray has given me insight all my life. And I respect HIM for who he is. So my point is how can u stray away from the truth? Yes everyone has there own opinions, yes neither you, nor Murray know everything. Yes, I do not believe mans word over Gods!! But you are an idiot on some of the things I have read on your site! I will always study with Murray, and I do also go with my wife to a Baptist church locally, but the b.s. that u speak is wrong!! And who do you think u are to judge another man? That's why I think ur just another false preaching oxymoron. You sir, probably need to watch how u judge people and mind your own business. So in conclusion, why don't u just try to help yourself
 in the word and worry bout yourself and stop criticizing others in what they believe or how they believe. And if you were smart you'd worry about were your going to be in the end times.
  Sincerely,
      J________

My Response: edits in maroon and in ( ), as in: (this is an example of an edit)

----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Stringini
To: Name And Address Withheld
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: You are disturbing!!!

Hi Josh, Thanks for contributing
 
" To whom it may concern,
I don't know who u are or how I found ur web page, but when I Googled Shepard's chapel, I came across ur link. So I saw u were once a student of Shepard's chapel, and now ur bad mouthing Murray!!"
 
I don't "bad mouth" Dr. Murray,  I am critical of his teachings.  But I suppose that saying someone is a false teacher is about as bad a thing as you could say about someone.  So I understand your feelings about my stand. 
 
I would like to say that over the years people have brought me various personal accusations against Dr. Murray, but I have never (nor will ever) published any of them, nor will I even hint at what they might involve. 
 
Dr. Murray is teaching thousands of people, and if his teachings and students cannot stand up to a little scrutiny, then they can't be true teachings or well-taught students.  Honestly, reactions like yours only add to my conviction that I should keep it up against Dr. Murray.  I mean, just look at the way you come at me,  you have nothing to say in defense of your teacher except "I've been going there a long time," and that I am an idiot.  Are Dr. Murray's teachings so indefensible that you can do nothing but call me names and appeal to your personal feelings?  Have you really learned to think for yourself?  Or have you really learned to think like "HIM."
 
" Murray has given me insight all my life. And I respect HIM for who he is. So my point is how can u stray away from the truth? "
 
What truth?  That Murray has given you insight all your life and that you respect him?  I'd like specifics.
 
Yes everyone has there own opinions, yes neither you, nor Murray know everything.
 
Technically speaking, "having your own opinion" is the definition of heresy.  Only the right opinion counts.
 
Yes, I do not believe mans word over Gods!!
 
What word have you heard from God that you did not hear first from man?  If you truly hear something from God, that is definitely the word to follow.  That is what I'm doing.
 
But you are an idiot on some of the things I have read on your site!
 
I'd really like to know specifically what those 'some things" are.  We don't have to argue about it (the Lord knows I've had my fill) but I'm just curious which points you felt were most idiotic.  I'm trying to improve my page and you are not helping here.
 
I will always study with Murray, and I do also go with my wife to a Baptist church locally, but the b.s. that u speak is wrong!!
 
Which B.S.?  Are you saying that I misrepresent Dr. Murray?  or that I am just wrong in my disagreements with him?
 
And who do you think u are to judge another man?
 
I'm not judging a man, I'm judging his teachings, haven't you ever heard of, "by their fruits you shall know them?"  Dr. Murray could still repent.  I don't judge him, there is another that judges.  The Word of God will be his judge.
 
That's why I think ur just another false preaching oxymoron.
 
That's a pretty judgmental thing to say.
 
You sir, probably need to watch how u judge people and mind your own business.
 
Josh, I don't know what to say, except that you should take heed to your own words.  Take a look in the mirror. You don't seem to have learned much about judgment.  Such as exercising good judgment.  You seem like a nice guy, I understand your defensiveness over Dr. Murray, but I've never said Dr. Murray is an "idiot." 
 
ALSO, this IS my business, because God has called me, and chosen me, from my mothers womb, and he called me to teach against my teacher, I serve God, who are you to tell another man's servant what he ought to do?  I never tell Dr. Murray what to do, I just say he is wrong and detail why.  Is that so idiotic? But what about you?  Who called you to write me?  And whose business are you about lurking in Baptist churches?  Wot ye not?
 
So in conclusion, why don't u just try to help yourself in the word and worry bout yourself and stop criticizing others in what they believe or how they believe.
 
I do a lot more than criticize Dr. Murray's teachings,  I also teach the bible myself chapter by chapter, and I sing the bible (verse by verse) and all for free (unlike Dr. Murray - you have to purchase many things if you want to collect all his teachings,  everything I have done is on the table)  http://oraclesofgod.org
 
you should check out my free audio bible studies http://oraclesofgod.org/studies/studies.html
 
and bible study videos and Music videos
http://www.youtube.com/user/PaulStringini
 
And if you were smart you'd worry about were your going to be in the end times.
You should love my Ezekiel 13 video
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-0aPlnepPM
 
But really, it is not about "where you will be"  it is a question of whether you have run with the footmen and they have wearied you, for how then shall you contend with horses?  Don't think because you know antichrist comes first, that you are immune to him.
 
Sincerely,
Paul Stringini

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