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Who Does Pastor Arnold Murray Teach Is the Father of The Kenites?

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From: Name And Address Withheld  
To: reborn@oraclesofgod.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:05 PM
Subject: Kenites

ďSatan's Biological Offspring (the Kenites)?Ē

I thought I heard Pastor Murray say that he is referring to Cainís offspring.  Or, at least this is how Iíve seen it spelled:  Cain and Able 

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From: Paul Stringini
To: Name And Address Withheld  
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: Kenites

Sorry, I accidentally overlooked your email.
 
The Kenites are the sons of Cain, the Hebrew word for Kenite means Cain's descendants.   It sounds like you are not very familiar with Dr. Murray's teachings yet.  According to Dr. Murray, Cain is the son of Satan and Eve.  So, by extension, according to him, the Kenites are then the children of the Devil.  If you have further questons feel free to write.
 
Sincerely,
Paul Stringini
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From: Name And Address Withheld  
To: 'Paul Stringini'
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 6:45 PM
Subject: RE: Kenites

This is new to me?  I have learned much but keep an open ear.  I most appreciate 6 seals, 6 trumpets, 6 vials.  Iíve hear some doozies regarding who is the devil?  Thank you for responding.  What do you think about Cainís children?  

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From: Paul Stringini
To: Name And Address Withheld  
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Kenites

I think Cain's children would have died in the flood and that the Kenites later referred to in scripture are probably descended from a different man who lived after the flood and was also called by the name Cain. I know people to this day who carry the name of Cain as a surname and they did not get that name in direct descent from the son of Adam.  And laying aside all arguments about the flood, Cain was cursed, but I never read anywhere of a curse on his children and his children's children.  
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To: 'Paul Stringini'
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:54 PM
Subject: RE: Kenites

Paul,

  How do you see this?  I am such a beginner of Bible study even though I was baptized at age 15, now 56.  This morning I read in Genesis chapter one, male and female, God made them both.

Then in chapter two, God made Adam Christís line.  I donít get it? 

So there were other people?  Are these all the petrified bones Time is reporting?   

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From: Paul Stringini
To: Name And Address Withheld 
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: Kenites

D_____,
I don't believe in the idea that the people in Genesis 1 are different than the people in Genesis 2 and 3
 
I think the confusion comes at Genesis  2:1,2  when it talks about the heavens and the earth being finished and about the seventh day.  Some people try to suggest then that everything that is written after verse 3 had to occur after the seventh day.  That is where they get the idea of "the eighth day."   The problem is (and they ignore this fact) that verse 4 is an indicator of chronology that takes us back to an earlier time;  So everything that is written after chapter 2 verse 4 until the end of chapter 2 must actually refer to the week of creation.
 
Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
 
This verse lets us know that the narrative in Chapter 2 is still part of the creation of chapter one.  The difference is that now we are going to look at the creation of man in detail.   "Generations"  refers to Adam and his descendants.  "When they were created"  lets us know that we are talking about the sixth day, because it already said that man was made on the sixth day.  "In the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens" tells us that the whole of what we are being told is part of the period covered by Genesis 1 "In the beginning God Created the Heavens and the Earth."
 
When I was a kid I read Genesis and that is how I saw it.  It wasn't until much later when men began planting ideas in my head that I began to look for a way to get Genesis 2 to mean something else.  And that is basically what these Shepherd's Chapel teachings do, they try to tell you that there is something else there that is different than what it plainly says.
 
Honestly, I think Genesis 2:1-3 should actually be part of Chapter 1, (they would be verses 32, 33, & 34)  Remember, the verses and chapters were added later to make it easier to communicate where something is in the Bible, so sometimes there are point that could be improved.
 
To me it is a very simple question of whether we are going to let the bible teach us what to believe or whether we are going to instruct the bible about what it ought to say.  That is how I see these kinds of interpretations.  The bible gives us a pretty clear view here of what it wants to communicate but some people are not satisfied with the account given and are easily seduced by strange doctrines like the Kenites, pre-existence, and separate creations of races. 
 
A note on genetics and races. When the races mix back up they replicate the genetic diversity which existed in ages past.  The couple below produced these two twin girls, one very black, one very white.  The parents themselves were the products of mixed race parents, so this represents two generations of mixing, and they were able to produce a blonde haired blue eyed child and a black one. The way some folks talk they make it sound like this is impossible.
 
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_black_and_white_twins.htm
 
This is a true story, it has been verified as true by the urban legends website, this is not legend, it really happened.  If the races were as some assume, (and they do not understand how genetics work), then mixed race parents would just produce "muddier" children (I remember Dr. Murray using the analogy of cream in coffee).  But the way genetics really work, as races mix back up, a very diverse variety of children may be produced from parents who look nothing like the child.  Two "black" people (second generation mixed) produced a lily white pure blue eyed "Aryan" girl, and that is how genetics work.  Adam and Eve very well may have looked like this couple.
 
I do put this kind of teaching into the category of "endless genealogies,"  because they always minister questions and strife that do not profit.  The greatest kind of knowledge in Christianity is to truly know Christ, and to truly know the power of his resurrection that we might walk in newness of life, and grow up into Christ as Paul said. 
 
Ephesians 4:14,15
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
 
These doctrines are entirely without profit except in the tickling of itching ears.
 
I don't remember if I mentioned that I have quite a number of free chapter by chapter, line by line, bible studies available on my webpage
 
http://oraclesofgod.org/studies/studies.html
 
There are over a hundred hours of teaching there that will really build up your faith in Christ and instruct you in biblical doctrine.
 
If you have any other questions feel free to write.
 
Sincerely,
Paul  Stringini

 

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From: Name And Address Withheld 
To: 'Paul Stringini'
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 7:14 PM
Subject: RE: Kenites

Ďcont

  I have had physiology, anatomy, chemistry to get into nursing.

My son developed diabetes at age four. Then he was diagnosed

Hormone deficient, growth hormone. Anyhow, diabetes counteracts the hormone.  So, I know something about genes.

It can be said the genes for the different children came from the generation before.   I am looking forward to studying your site.

Thank you.  Watching the game in New Orleans?

D___________

 

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From: Paul Stringini
To: Name And Address Withheld 
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Kenites

Certainly, I'm not sure if you are agreeing or not, but I assume you are agreeing, if you understand genetic information, I look at thing like budgies (sometimes called parakeets), in the wild they are all green, but when populations became isolated different genes for other colors began to come out, first blue and then many others, these changes do not represent an increase in genetic information but a loss. Races are pretty much the same, they represent loss and isolation of genetic information.
 
The game?  I'm not from New Orleans, I don't even know what sports are being played at the moment.  

 

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To: reborn@oraclesofgod.org
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 7:51 PM
Subject: 'cont 2

D________ again,

  Well in his defense I do appreciate all the suggested study. He always tells where the same subject is also in the Bible. 

  I have had two ideas I donít share but put them aside while I study all the books.  Itís been an interesting week.  Iím almost finished with 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.  One needs to concentrate here more than listen to Bible studies.  All those

Barnacles, fish, and many other creatures Iíve never seen or heard of either. 

  Thank you once again.

Sincerely, D________

 

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From: Paul Stringini
To: Name And Address Withheld
Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: 'cont 2
Dr. Murray is filling a void.  He is doing doing something very few people are willing to do; but it OUGHT to be done (that is why I'm teaching too).  When I was 19 I wanted to learn about the bible and I found Dr. Murray.  If you can't go to a university or pay a lot of money to have someone else teach you the bible, where do you go?  And how do you know what you are learning is accurate? He was the only bible teacher I ever had, I don't regret it, but still, it took me nearly ten years to totally rid my mind of the conditioning I received from him.  I do not resent or feel ill-will towards him, after all, he thinks he is teaching the right things, and so do I, and so does everybody.  Until God testifies to the truth what can we do? We follow the light that we believe God has given us and pray.

 

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