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Who Does Pastor Arnold Murray Teach Is the
Father of The Kenites?
Question/Comment:
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From:
Name And Address Withheld
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:05 PM
Subject: Kenites
“Satan's Biological Offspring (the
Kenites)?”
I thought I heard Pastor Murray say that
he is referring to Cain’s offspring. Or, at least this is how I’ve
seen it spelled: Cain and Able
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To:
Name And Address Withheld
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: Kenites
Sorry, I accidentally overlooked your email.
The Kenites are the sons of Cain, the Hebrew
word for Kenite means Cain's descendants. It sounds like you are not very
familiar with Dr. Murray's teachings yet. According to Dr. Murray, Cain is
the son of Satan and Eve. So, by extension, according to him, the Kenites
are then the children of the Devil. If you have further questons feel free
to write.
Sincerely,
Emailer's First Reply:
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From:
Name And Address Withheld
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 6:45 PM
Subject: RE: Kenites
This is new to me? I have learned much but keep an open ear. I
most appreciate 6 seals, 6 trumpets, 6 vials. I’ve hear some doozies
regarding who is the devil? Thank you for responding. What do
you think about Cain’s children?
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To:
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Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: Kenites
I think Cain's children would have died in the
flood and that the Kenites later referred to in scripture are probably
descended from a different man who lived after the flood and was also called
by the name Cain. I know people to this day who carry the name of Cain as a
surname and they did not get that name in direct descent from the son of
Adam. And laying aside all arguments about the flood, Cain was cursed, but
I never read anywhere of a curse on his children and his children's
children.
Emailer's Second Reply:
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From:
Name And Address Withheld
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:54 PM
Subject: RE: Kenites
Paul,
How do you see this? I am such a beginner of Bible study even though I
was baptized at age 15, now 56. This morning I read in Genesis chapter
one, male and female, God made them both.
Then in chapter two, God made Adam Christ’s line. I don’t get it?
So there were other people? Are these all the petrified bones Time is
reporting?
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To:
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Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: Kenites
D_____,
I don't believe in the idea that the people in
Genesis 1 are different than the people in Genesis 2 and 3
I think the confusion comes at Genesis 2:1,2
when it talks about the heavens and the earth being finished and about the
seventh day. Some people try to suggest then that everything that is
written after verse 3 had to occur after the seventh day. That is where
they get the idea of "the eighth day." The problem is (and they ignore
this fact) that verse 4 is an indicator of chronology that takes us back to
an earlier time; So everything that is written after chapter 2 verse 4
until the end of chapter 2 must actually refer to the week of creation.
Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the
heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day
that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
This verse lets us know that the narrative in
Chapter 2 is still part of the creation of chapter one. The difference is
that now we are going to look at the creation of man in detail.
"Generations" refers to Adam and his descendants. "When they were
created" lets us know that we are talking about the sixth day, because it
already said that man was made on the sixth day. "In the day that the Lord
God made the earth and the heavens" tells us that the whole of what we are
being told is part of the period covered by Genesis 1 "In the beginning God
Created the Heavens and the Earth."
When I was a kid I read Genesis and that is how
I saw it. It wasn't until much later when men began planting ideas in my
head that I began to look for a way to get Genesis 2 to mean something
else. And that is basically what these Shepherd's Chapel teachings do, they
try to tell you that there is something else there that is different than
what it plainly says.
Honestly, I think Genesis 2:1-3 should actually
be part of Chapter 1, (they would be verses 32, 33, & 34) Remember, the
verses and chapters were added later to make it easier to communicate where
something is in the Bible, so sometimes there are point that could be
improved.
To me it is a very simple question of whether we
are going to let the bible teach us what to believe or whether we are going
to instruct the bible about what it ought to say. That is how I see these
kinds of interpretations. The bible gives us a pretty clear view here of
what it wants to communicate but some people are not satisfied with the
account given and are easily seduced by strange doctrines like the Kenites,
pre-existence, and separate creations of races.
A note on genetics and races. When the races mix
back up they replicate the genetic diversity which existed in ages past.
The couple below produced these two twin girls, one very black, one very
white. The parents themselves were the products of mixed race parents, so
this represents two generations of mixing, and they were able to produce a
blonde haired blue eyed child and a black one. The way some folks talk they
make it sound like this is impossible.
http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_black_and_white_twins.htm
This is a true story, it has been verified as true by the urban legends
website, this is not legend, it really happened. If the races were as some
assume, (and they do not understand how genetics work), then mixed race
parents would just produce "muddier" children (I remember Dr. Murray using
the analogy of cream in coffee). But the way genetics really work,
as races mix back up, a very diverse variety of children may be produced
from parents who look nothing like the child. Two "black" people (second
generation mixed) produced a lily white pure blue eyed "Aryan" girl, and
that is how genetics work. Adam and Eve very well may have looked like this
couple.
I do put this kind of teaching into the category
of "endless genealogies," because they always minister questions and
strife that do not profit. The greatest kind of knowledge in Christianity
is to truly know Christ, and to truly know the power of his resurrection
that we might walk in newness of life, and grow up into Christ as Paul
said.
Ephesians 4:14,15
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about
with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness,
whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may
grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
These doctrines are entirely without profit
except in the tickling of itching ears.
I don't remember if I mentioned that I have
quite a number of free chapter by chapter, line by line, bible studies
available on my webpage
There are over a hundred hours of teaching there
that will really build up your faith in Christ and instruct you in biblical
doctrine.
If you have any other questions feel free to
write.
Sincerely,
Paul Stringini
Emailer's Third Reply:
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From:
Name And Address Withheld
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 7:14 PM
Subject: RE: Kenites
‘cont
I have had physiology, anatomy, chemistry to get into nursing.
My son developed diabetes at age four. Then he was diagnosed
Hormone deficient, growth hormone. Anyhow, diabetes counteracts the
hormone. So, I know something about genes.
It can be said the genes for the different children came from the
generation before. I am looking forward to studying your
site.
Thank you. Watching the game in New Orleans?
D___________
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To:
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Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: Kenites
Certainly, I'm not sure if you are agreeing or
not, but I assume you are agreeing, if you understand genetic information, I
look at thing like budgies (sometimes called parakeets), in the wild they
are all green, but when populations became isolated different genes for
other colors began to come out, first blue and then many others, these
changes do not represent an increase in genetic information but a
loss. Races are pretty much the same, they represent loss and isolation of
genetic information.
The game? I'm not from New Orleans, I don't
even know what sports are being played at the moment.
Emailer's Fourth Reply:
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From:
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Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2010 7:51 PM
Subject: 'cont 2
D________ again,
Well in his defense I do appreciate all the suggested study. He always
tells where the same subject is also in the Bible.
I have had two ideas I don’t share but put them aside while I study all
the books. It’s been an interesting week. I’m almost
finished with 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. One needs to
concentrate here more than listen to Bible studies. All those
Barnacles, fish, and many other creatures I’ve never seen or heard of
either.
Thank you once again.
Sincerely, D________
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To:
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Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2010 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: 'cont 2
Dr. Murray is filling a void. He is doing doing
something very few people are willing to do; but it OUGHT to be done (that
is why I'm teaching too). When I was 19 I wanted to learn about the bible
and I found Dr. Murray. If you can't go to a university or pay a lot of
money to have someone else teach you the bible, where do you go? And how do
you know what you are learning is accurate? He was the only bible teacher I
ever had, I don't regret it, but still, it took me nearly ten years to
totally rid my mind of the conditioning I received from him. I do not
resent or feel ill-will towards him, after all, he thinks he is teaching the
right things, and so do I, and so does everybody. Until God testifies to
the truth what can we do? We follow the light that we believe God has given
us and pray.
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