The Shepherd's Chapel and Dr. Arnold Murray

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From: Name and Address Withheld

To: reborn@oraclesofgod.org (Paul Stringini)

Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 7:26 PM

Subject: God appoints people to be disobedient. WTF???!!!

DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN, DEAR GOD. WHY, WHY...WHY?????!!!!!! MY HEART IS SO HEAVY THAT I WANT TO TAKE MY LIFE TO MEET GOD FACE TO FACE. I AM SO SO SO VERY WEARY OF YOU, MURRAY, AND ALL YOU PREACHERS, TEACHERS...ETC. ALL IS JUST CONTROVERSY, DOGMA, OPINIONS, AND BULLSHIT. IS THE WORD NOT SO SIMPLE OR OBSCURED AND HIDDEN FROM US? EH? JUST TELL ME! I HAVE SEARCHED FOR THE TRUTH. I AM 56. BUT I DO NOT AND WILL NOT BELIEVE IN THE LIE OF RAPTURE AT LEAST. SATAN COMES FIRST, AS SIMPLY BIBLICAL. HE BRINGS THIS FLY AWAY THEORY. WHO ELSE WOULD? IT IS SO SIMPLE TO ME. JESUS COMES LAST TO RULE THE MILLINEUM. WHERE ELSE WOULD WE GO BUT STAY HERE WITH HIM?!!! ANYWAY, I HOPE GOD CAN FORGIVE SUICIDES. THEN AGAIN, YOU PROBABLY THINK THAT JUDAS KILLED HIMSELF, RIGHT? AND THAT ADAM AND EVE ONLY ATE AN APPLE? A FRUIT? THAT MAKES GOD LOOK SO STUPID! ANYWAY, OUR CREATORS BLESSINGS. SINCERELY, XXXXXXX Y. ZZZZZZZZ

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Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:53 PM

Subject: Re: God appoints people to be disobedient. WTF???!!!

XXXXXX, I'm sorry you feel that way, the Apostle Peter very simply says so.

2Peter 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

I'm sorry it causes you such trouble to hear such things, but do not let your misunderstanding of God cloud your judgment.

Prov 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.

If you are truly searching for the truth, before you kill yourself consider that you may be closer to it than ever. You keep trying to find the easy way, by just following this doctrine or just following that doctrine, you have settled for falsehoods and I understand why you would be feeling frustrated. Don't end your search before you reach the truth. The truth does not always seem beautiful at first. You may not understand it but I am a reasonable man and the doctrine God has given me is beautiful. If you need a teacher I can help you.

I don't know where you are coming from, but I do not believe in a rapture.

THEN AGAIN, YOU PROBABLY THINK THAT JUDAS KILLED HIMSELF, RIGHT?

Why do you think he didn't? Have you considered the fact that the only reason you believe that Judas did not hang himself is because Dr. Murray says so? The Apostles believed that he did hang himself:

Matthew 27:5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

Call me a dupe, call me a retard, but I take the word of the Apostle I know that Jesus chose, Matthew, over the word of Dr. Murray. I guess Dr. Murray is just smarter, he was able to read between the lines while dupes and retards like me an Matthew miss out on the truth.

Acts 1:18 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out.

Does that verse mean that Matthew is totally wrong? Dr. Murray thinks so. Isn't it more reasonable to figure that Judas did hang himself and then fell and that his corpse burst open on the ground? I ask again? Is Matthew full of it? Or is Dr. Murray? (see clarification of this statement at the bottom of the page)

AND THAT ADAM AND EVE ONLY ATE AN APPLE? A FRUIT? THAT MAKES GOD LOOK SO STUPID!

Stow the clichés, really. Eve saw food. Not Satan's penis.

Gen3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Is this all code for sexual intercourse? What is wrong with following the word "as it is written" Why does Dr. Murray tell us to read the word "as it is written" but then whenever he feels it is necessary he "reads between the lines ideas that are not even there. Pardon me, but that is what I call stupid.

Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Right there in the middle of the garden of God a tree that grants the knowledge of good and evil and results in death. You may think it makes God look stupid but that is history. God created a tree that grants knowledge which he set before a disobedient race of his own making and commanded them, "Eat it not."

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Why is it that the idea of a miraculous tree that grants knowledge is so stupid to you? Do you think it was stupid when God parted the red sea or when he made an iron axe head float? Why do you draw the line of unbelief here. Why is is smart to believe that having sex with the devil will grant you knowledge? It says God made a tree whose fruit granted knowledge...why is that so stupid?

Some sins are only sins because there are commandments against them, others are sins because we know within ourselves that the thing is sinful through the knowledge of good and evil. The knowledge of good and evil makes many sins because the knowledge of good and evil within man is what makes man able to be "a law unto himself."

Ro2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

This "work of the law" is the knowledge of good and evil which we have all inherited from our first ancestors. It makes us all sinners without any commandments from God. We know what is good and what is wicked, at least enough to condemn ourselves. Some sins still require commandments, (such as "love you enemies," by nature I do not believe that man would come to that conclusion)

At this point in history there was only one law and no chance of sin by conscience. Since the tree was made to be enticing and the serpent was allowed to act unhindered and man was ignorant of evil, it seems reasonable to say that by commanding the man not to eat the tree that God actually wants to make man sinful. We know that God must have fully expected that man would eat of the tree, if he did not then he would not be all-knowing, and perhaps even less intelligent than. God arranging circumstances which lead directly to disobedience in man. And not at all to say that God forced man to disobey. But when God created man he created a willingly disobedient creature. A creature with desires which are more powerful than the commandments of God.

God is the creator of evil. If he is not then evil would exist at a level equal with God. God created evil by hating.

Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Evil and wicked things are evil and wicked because God hates them, that is how those things are defined. If God were different, then the standards of good and evil may have been very different. It cannot be denied that the very way in which we perceive good and evil is a direct result of the knowledge of good and evil which God programmed into that fruit and came to reside in the hearts of men.

That does not make God look stupid, saying "fruit" and "tree" When you mean "sex" and "satan" makes God look like a dolt who does not know the proper meaning of words.

Don't kill yourself, not over a bunch of preachers

Sincerely,

Paul Stringini

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Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 5:52 PM

Subject: Re: God appoints people to be disobedient. WTF???!!!

YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU CAN GO FUCK URSELF. ASSHOLE. HOW DARE YOU TO PRESUME MY UNDERSTANDING OF OUR CREATOR. HOW FUCKING DARE YOU. AND U CALL ME DISOBEDIENT???!!! BEAUTIFUL? UR AS FULL OF SHIT AS AN OUTHOUSE RAT. EXCLUDING DR. MURRY, WHOM FALSE TEACHERS AS URSELF DESPISE BECAUSE YOU CAN'T CONTROL HIM, ON MY OWN MERITS IN THE EYES OF OUR CREATOR, YOU ARE FOUL AND WAY OFF BASE WITH ME. AS FAR AS JUDAS GOES? IDIOT, WHO ELSE BUT THE ONES THAT PUT HIM UP TO THE BETRAYAL KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TO DO WITH HIM TO AVOID OTHERS KNOWING THEIR EVIL PLOT. LEAVE ME ALONE. ADIOS SENOR. I'M SO SICK OF ALL YOU PPL!