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Emailer Claims that I "Burned Down Murray" and that "Without Knowing About the Offspring of Satan You Cannot Teach the Word" in regards to My Article on the Shepherd's Chapel and Pastor Arnold Murray
The Question/Comment: (Some Punctuation and Breaks added for clarity):
----- Original Message -----From: Name and Address WithheldTo: reborn@oraclesofgod.org (Paul Stringini)Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 12:35 AMSubject: keniteRead your comments.You are angry. You must have trusted Murray a lot. There is no love in your words. I see your ego.
I studied with Murray for 20 years. His failings are glaring. I still listen, the holy spirit will lead us in truth.
Without knowing about the offspring of Satan you cannot teach the word. Sperm to egg.
Start with this...... Cain is not in Adams Genealogy. Also Eve was cursed in childbearing not her mouth or stomach. Why?
Jesus taught with large words who his detractors were. "Ye are of your father the Devil."
You burned down Murray.......did not see the most important gift: love in your words.......you have missed the mark..
Without love, you are as a clanging bell. Love is fruit of the spirit, pray for (some)....xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx..
My Original Response:
----- Original Message -----From: reborn@oraclesofgod.orgTo: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXSent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 9:41 PMSubject: Re: kenite
Hi,Your mind reading abilities leave much to be desired. I was so angry that I waited thirteen years to say anything about Murray.. Think about it... You are just seeing what you want to see in me, I call that lack of good judgment. I love the truth, and...Hebrews 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.You have to hate to please God. Love creates hate in the face of evil. *Editorial Comment* (And by "evil" I meant false doctrine, not Dr. Murray Personally)Like I said, the serpent seed doctrine is a perversion of of the parable of the tares, the message of the new testament is that people of all nations can be accepted in Christ, a tare can never be.And the word "sperm" as we use it today does not occur in the New Testament. Your fundamental misunderstanding of the derivation of the modern word sperm is perverting your doctrine."Cain is not in Adam's genealogy"Neither are any other of Adams many sons and daughters, other than those who are in the direct line of Christ."Jesus taught with large words who his detractors were. "Ye are of your father the devil."The scriptures also say this:1Jn3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.If you sin, you are of the Devil and are his SEED. This (1Jn 3) is a SEEDS scripture."Did not see the most important gift love in your words.......you have missed the mark... Without love, you are as a clanging bell"What can I do for one who is blind to love?Lev19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.I hated Dr. Murray for 13 years when I sat silently by without rebuking his sinful doctrineTit3:10 A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject;
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
As far as the Kenite doctrine goes I refer you to my writings on it.Sincerely, Paul Stringini
Emailer's Reply:
----- Original Message -----From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXSent: Friday, September 21, 2007 11:25 AMSubject: loveAll men sin. Faith pleases God and is what justifies man in Gods eyes...period.Seed is offspring....Abraham asked God for seed and was promised a child. Don't know where sperm is used in the bible....in the garden God promised enmity between her seed and Satan's seed....offspring...
Murray teaches Christ, the cross, resurrection, faith in. That is the gospel. All the wrangling about Murray's teachings is not profitable. Someone might stumble after reading your letter; millstones are heavy...
Many ones fall for a preacher and put them on a pedestal....your ego and pride got bruised and you learned from it. You can teach without attacking a brother. Lets not devour one another. In fact, you have grown in studies and have benefited by this.. that experience.....
Every teacher ever heard is amiss in some things even you and me. We all are workers in Christ. Who am I to judge another mans servant. Forgive and go on in God's work......love XXXXXX. XXXXXXXX
Editorial Note:
"Faith pleases God and is what justifies man in Gods eyes...period."
No, not period, wrong.
Jas 2:21 "Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?"
The only place in the bible where the words "faith" and "alone" occur in the same sentence it is James 2:17 "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."
The only place in the Bible where "faith" and "only" are found together is James 2:24 "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."
Where people get confused is because the Apostle Paul has said that, "But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith." Gal 3:24
The Gospel of Jesus Christ is not that you must "just believe" but expect you are still going to keep on sinning! The "Hope of Righteousness" Is the hope that we are going to become righteous NOW, In this present world.
"For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith." Gal 5:4
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Faith causes things to happen, not the works of the law, but the works of faith. Disobedience is the opposite of faith, that is why the Apostle Paul wrote the following in the very same book of Galatians where people try to pervert the Gospel. Because sin has consequences, no matter what you say you believe, so says the Apostle Paul, right out of Galatians:
Gal 5:19 "Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. "
It could not be more clear, repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand. If you sin, you are of the devil.
My Original Reply:
----- Original Message -----From: reborn@oraclesofgod.orgTo: XXXXXXXXXXXXSent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:03 AMSubject: Re: love
All men sin? That is not what the bible says. What the bible says is that all men "have sinned" But if you continue to do sin then you will not inherit the kingdom of GodGal5:19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies (Dr Murray), 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."all the wrangling about Murray's teachings is not profitable."Heresy (among other things) will make people who hear him to fail to inherit the kingdom of God. Avoiding such folly is VERY PROFITABLE.I suggest that you read 1 John 3 again, anyone who sins is a child of the Devil. That is what the BIBLE says.Additionally, the message of the Gospel is REPENT, TURN from your wicked ways!Also this is what the Apostle PAUL says:27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castawayIf the Apostle Paul believed that he needed to "keep his body under" or he would be "cast away" then I had better worry about that. And the apostle Paul sure knows alot more about this Gospel than I do. So I'll listen to him."Seed is offspring....Abraham asked God for seed and was promised a child"I think I covered this on my websiteJesus said this to the so-called "Kenites" - John 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
On the one hand Jesus acknowledges that they are the "seed" of Abraham yet he says that they are not Abrahams Children."your ego and pride got bruised " I was 19 years old I studied with him till I was 21. You need to learn about judging righteous judgment. You read too much emotion into my remarks.I suggest to you that you have been sold a bill of goods, both your understanding of the gospel and your "loving" tolerance of wicked falsehood are the savorings of men, not of God. Repent.
Immediately after sending this email I sent it again only adding these verses and commentary after John 8:39
Jesus said this to the so-called "Kenites" -John 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.
38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
So, on one hand, Jesus calls them (the same group of people) "Abraham's seed" which you say means "offspring" then on the other hand he calls them "ye are of your father the devil" All in the same context, all talking to the same people... They are Abraham's literal seed and Satan's Spiritual seed? Or... Do you want to say that they are literally the flesh and blood offspring of Satan and the spiritual seed of Abraham? That is impossible. It has to be one or the other.
Editorial Note:
"Every teacher ever heard is amiss in some things even you and me. We all are workers in Christ. Who am I to judge another mans servant. Forgive and go on in God's work"
The phrase "who am I to judge another man's servant" is taken from a passage dealing with judging people based on the kinds of food they eat (Rom 14:4). Which is a far cry from the false doctrine which Dr. Murray teaches. In the New Testament the Apostles were very adamant against false teachings, false brethren, and false teachers, calling out some of them by name (1Tim1:20). The Apostles reserved some of their strongest language for use against false teachers (Gal 1:9)
In the same book of Romans, which this respondent cites, the Apostle Paul states:
Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
All I am doing is marking Dr. Arnold Murray, obeying the Apostle's advice.
"Forgive and go on in God's work"
There is nothing for me to forgive, this is not about me. Dr. Murray's sins are against heaven, and they remain, because he does not repent of his false doctrines. Nor can he, unless the Lord gives him the grace to see the error of his way.
----- Original Message -----From: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXSent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 7:54 PMSubject: loveLOVE DOES NOT SUFFER A WRONG........
Remember..."Forgive them FATHER for.........
Gal 5.20......You are guilty of at least three of these sins of the flesh. Your anger and resentment have blinded you.......
Satan accuses the brethren before the throne....right now you are standing right next to him........
if you cannot see these things you have become reprobate......
LOVE DOES NOT SUFFER A WRONG ,,,,,,,
Sorry, it appears Satan has picked you off/......remember castaway,,,,,,,,,,Paul wasn't you have become......I'll keep you in prayer.....good bye.... XX (name withheld)
Note:
I never responded to this email because I didn't want to harass the guy. He said "goodbye," and it seemed he did not want to hear from me anymore. But this is what I have to say about his final comments.
LOVE DOES NOT SUFFER A WRONG...Remember..."Forgive them FATHER for.......
Murray did not wrong me, this isn't personal, it is about doctrine. Dr. Murray has never done anything to me. And Love also "Believes all things" Does that mean I should believe lies? When Jesus said to "Love your enemies" it is not the same love that one has for the brethren. And even though I pray for God to "forgive them" He won't, he doesn't. "It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!" (Luke 17:1) "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen." (Rev 1:7)
"Your anger and resentment have blinded you......."
My anger and resentment? I never have been "angry" about Dr. Murray's false doctrine, it is ridiculous. I only followed the Guy from 1993-1996. I do not grudge the money I spent on tapes, I don't feel that my marriage is void because he performed the ceremony. I'm not angry at Dr. Murray. But I HATE false doctrine and so I'm going to rip it apart whenever I see it and I will "mark them" that teach it.
Psalm 119:128 Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right; and I hate every false way.
Psalm 119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
If you don't hate the false way then you are not yourself of the truth and you have no understanding. This respondent acknowledges that Dr. Murray's error are "glaring" but he is "angry and resentful" that I am marking Dr. Murray as a false teacher. If he really had any understanding he would hate the ways of Arnold Murray and love what I'm doing here.
"Gal 5.20......You are guilty of at least three of these sins of the flesh."
This was in response to my citing of Heresy as something that can cause one to fail to inherit the kingdom of God. Even if I am guilty of ALL of the sins of the flesh... Why does Dr. Murray get a pass?
"Satan accuses the brethren before the throne....right now you are standing right next to him........"
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
For your information, Satan is the FALSE accuser, the SLANDERER. My words are true, Dr. Murray and I do not serve the same Christ.
"if you cannot see these things you have become reprobate......"
But because Dr. Murray cannot see his own "glaring" errors, he gets a pass? You have to apply your judgments consistently, and remember, you will be judged on the same basis.
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